ShootMania PowerUp - Improve what we have.

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ShootMania PowerUp - Improve what we have.

Post by novationx »

Heys,

This thread is about improving what we currently have before we get new additional stuff. New stuff is always great, but not when there is still so much to do.
This is not a wishlist. Its not even my personal TOP10. I really believe that with this list in place the game would be 2x better.

Some feedback would be great & maybe leave some other suggestions in the comments in case I forgot something really important.



1. Removed. Other items on the list are more important.


2. Design!The game needs to be cool. Details are important too.

Most important design flaws:
--> Racing-game left-overs in MP
--> left-overs of MP2 design
--> Statistics page, profile page
--> Loading screens
--> Matchmaking Interface.

So much talk about the design on this forum (not just me). Unbelievable that there are even people actively designing their own interfaces just to help you. Some interfaces they made are impressive.
Move it up the priority-list please.


3. Statistics
This has been asked so much on the forums. Maybe start with Elite & add it to other modes later? The mode only has a laser & rockets. Elite needs to be more interesting to talk about. Statistics would be a great start. It also helps with motivation & you can see yourself get better/worse.

Ive seen modes with 2 scoreboard. The 2nd scoreboard shows all sorts of stats. This is not the solution im looking for, but at least it would be a start.


4. Ranking leaderboards
--> Dont make it a simple SQL select-query, only showing playernames & LP. Put some time & effort in it & make it sexy. Clicking on players could show their profile/stats/stars/badges/awards.


5. Matchmaking improvements
--> LP-distribution still feels weird, but its getting better!

--> Better balancing of matches

--> Fix numerous bugs with matchmaking:
BUG#1 : Your allies become substitutes --> Allied players shouldnt be substitutes unless they substitute together.
BUG#2 : [90,11] Cant access to member of Null value

--> Create Echelon 10 and name it DIAMOND
Its just cool :D No further comment.


6. Tutorials
New players have absolutely no clue what to do & how to move. They dont have movement, get rushed & game-over.
A simple tutorial would do wonders. Not a gamemode, but an actual tutorial.


7. Unlock custom huds, stamina, reloadspeed etc etc ( also for Official gamemodes )
Why not? Everything is this game is about 'let the community create it" but you lock the essential parts?

Would be cool if someone could actually create an Elite ProMod with custom hud, sounds & maybe some other cool ideas. Let us pimp the game for you NADEO! If its bad the community will reject it. Dont worry.


8. ALL settings in 1 place
This has been asked for soooooo much on these forums. I think I read it almost every week.
--> 1x in the launcher
--> 1x in game

Also remove racing-terms in my ShootMania launcher. Its really weird & confusing. Not every SM-player has a history with TM & vice versa.


9. Better use for planets

Boring:
- Donating to servers
- Sending emails costs you 15planets
- Planets for buddies

Good:
- Paying for new skins, horns, avatars, poses, titles, weaponpack, blockpack, etc etc

Do you see how all the "boring stuff" is already made possible by NADEO, while all the "good stuff" is impossible.
Add this functionality to the store please. This would do wonders for your game.


10. Active & clear communication between NADEO & Community about the future of the game:
- When is the next update?
- Spoilers & Screenshots
- Weekly/Monthly briefing ( Johkr promised us weekly interviews.. We got only 1. )
--> Keep us waiting, but make us excited & thursty for more!


11. Release new tools, but also show us what's possible including great examples & documentation.


12. Focus on what you have, improve it, perfect it & add new stuff later.
=PowerUp.
Im really happy Hylis launched this PowerUp. It was awesome to read something like that coming from him.
I really hope this is what his team is working on at the moment. I heard 2015 will be a TM-year, so I really hope that this is what NADEO will be doing for SM these last 4months of 2014.


A lot of stuff is already reported/requested before on the forums... I know, but I hope this thread can be the "PowerUp-thread" for ShootMania.

Cheerz.
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1. don't understand what you want if better map vote system... i say no because nobody will want to play on new maps that needs some fix to be good

2. Why not, but now we are used to this interface

3. Statistics : Noooooo... statistics kill games the best example Battlefield 3, with the battlelog and the tons of statistics nobody plays for fun now... BF is dead since BF3 because of the overload of stats (and the new community)...

The only good statistics are Fun stats like : Hypochondriac (always healing), Best Bunny (most jump), Chicken Heart (always far from fight), BackStabber (most TK), Top Gun (most time in the air), Do a Barrel Roll (more dodge), butterfly (shortest life) etc...

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5. Only used a matchmaking a few times... so i can't say

6. Yes.... but platfrom is there for that and they will add some feature to it so maybe something to shoot

7. yes

8. Some settings can't be changed in the middle of game some engine can't support that

9. We can actualy sell blocks, skins, mod, maps, avatars, modes, everythings.... just look at maniapark... It's to the player to use the economy not Nadeo (except for the official store where ther is nothing except Suzu and she is free)
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Titisu
Thank you for the feedback^^
TitiShu wrote:2. Why not, but now we are used to this interface
Dont be happy too fast. Also, Im sure you would be happy if they updated the current design with cool loading screens, profile page etc. It doesnt need to be a complete new design.
TitiShu wrote: Statistics : Noooooo... statistics kill games the best example Battlefield 3, with the battlelog and the tons of statistics nobody plays for fun now... BF is dead since BF3 because of the overload of stats (and the new community)...
Statistics dont kill the game imo. Maybe BF3 died because of other reasons? ( BF4 ? :D )
TitiShu wrote:6. Yes.... but platfrom is there for that and they will add some feature to it so maybe something to shoot
Platform is good & has to stay for sure. Its just... You dont learn enough from it. We need a tutorial that explains "stamina" , how to sprint, what is gliding, when to use stamina... Walljumping...
Red blocks?White blocks?Blue Blocks? I played the first 9maps of Platform & I only saw castle blocks.
A gamemode is not a tutorial. If NADEO considers this to be their tutorial then they need to PRE-install it on every ShootMania copy and rename it to "tutorials".
TitiShu wrote:9. We can actualy sell blocks, skins, mod, maps, avatars, modes, everythings.... just look at maniapark... It's to the player to use the economy not Nadeo (except for the official store where ther is nothing except Suzu and she is free)
I know this and it works. But is the current system good enough? You dont know the manialinks... Some manialinks look like shit... Some manialinks are bugged. Lets join gamewave TS and ask all 50 SM players if they know '"maniapark". You will be surprized how much players dont know this website.

Imagine the impact of a central item store? Everybody will see your new freshly-made blocks instantly. Everybody will have the latest horns, the newest skins, the coolest avatars, the sickest poses, etc... via donations/payments or just for free.
Skinners, horn-makers, pose-makers,crosshair-makers will become more motivated than ever.

Imo this central-store ( like the title-store ) would be EPIC.
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I'm so agree with the second point.

The main menu is better but still not perfect. The maniaplanet logo is displayed two times, the menu is blue, blue, blue and blue again. We have to scroll down to have the titlepack list. And (this is just my opinion) I really don't like the windows : Bluuuuuuue everywhere. Also you use multiple designs : In title, windows are blue and menu background is black. Station's layouts are black (I like it) but windows are blue.

I really want a new ManiaPlanet interface, beautiful and more handy.

The design should give an ambiance before playing. The loading screen is just red clouds with a strange "please wait..." on the left. That's just look strange.

A screen with a beautiful image of storm with the loading bar on the right (as usual) is simple and better. And we have the sensation that we are entering in a game.

You called ShootMania "Storm" but it's sunny on every maps. No wind sound, no thunder sounds, no lightning. The day mood is so sunny that i can't see players well sometimes.
What happen to the futuristic aspect of the game ? On alpha trailers, this aspect was more present.


I'm critcizing on ManiaPlanet but that don't mean that i'm sad about MP3. We are a community and all of us have ideas and their opinions about the game.
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novationx wrote: 7. Unlock custom huds, stamina, reloadspeed etc etc
Why not? Everything is this game is about 'let the community create it" but you lock the essential parts?

Would be cool if someone could actually create an Elite ProMod with custom hud, sounds & maybe some other cool ideas. Let us pimp the game for you NADEO! If its bad the community will reject it. Dont worry.
It's already possible btw. creator can hide the default hud and replace with own by manialink.
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djhubertus wrote:
novationx wrote: 7. Unlock custom huds, stamina, reloadspeed etc etc
Why not? Everything is this game is about 'let the community create it" but you lock the essential parts?

Would be cool if someone could actually create an Elite ProMod with custom hud, sounds & maybe some other cool ideas. Let us pimp the game for you NADEO! If its bad the community will reject it. Dont worry.
It's already possible btw. creator can hide the default hud and replace with own by manialink.
But not in official titles.
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3) See http://live.drakonia.eu/ This gets all kind of data from Elite matches and saves it into a db... It might be better to write a api for it so it gets written right away and players can get there own data or from others. But its a choice for now to only use it only lan-parties.

Also it has to do with rights as its a job done by a company which is outside of nadeo reach.
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novationx wrote:
djhubertus wrote:
novationx wrote: 7. Unlock custom huds, stamina, reloadspeed etc etc
Why not? Everything is this game is about 'let the community create it" but you lock the essential parts?

Would be cool if someone could actually create an Elite ProMod with custom hud, sounds & maybe some other cool ideas. Let us pimp the game for you NADEO! If its bad the community will reject it. Dont worry.
It's already possible btw. creator can hide the default hud and replace with own by manialink.
But not in official titles.
Well it doesn't work like you want, there is the rule that mode creator decide, which elements/aspects are forced for everyone and hud is one of these things.

In my opinon it's good that players can't use own huds because it will build troubles for creators regarding manialinks, where to place as default etc. CS:GO for example remove custom hud support because it can be recognized as "legal" cheat.
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All off-topic posts have been splitted of this topic and the new topic has been locked.

I want to make something clear:
This is the English forum on this ManiaPlanet forum, meaning that all posts here should be in English.
Speed, I would respectfully ask you to refrain from posting French posts in this forum in the future.
There is room for French posts in the French forums, not in the English forums.

If you want to contribute to the discussions in this English forum, I would suggest you either learn English or you ask a mate to translate your posts before posting them here.
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I really need to agree with novationx in the 8th point.
Its getting on my nerves to start and shut down the game for some changes.
Its also the problem that we have the same settings for SM and TM I mean this are totaly diffrent games why should I decied a setting with which both games are working well when they are totaly diffrent?

To the 9th point:
Yeah we need more functions for the Planets I have so many Planets and dont know what to do with them. Ofc I can donate servers what im already doing but there should be more options <- so what novationx said.
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