WAKE UP TRACKMANIA !

[TMarc]

Firstly, what do you mean by a) Stadium not counting as a full trackMania title

Stadium was only a port from TMNF to ManiaPlanet. And they added only one hires texture (the grass if I'm not wrong), and a few new underground 1/3 concrete 2/3 dirt blocks.
So it is not completely made of new textures and new blocks, as Canyon and Valley.
And ManiaPlanet-Stadium was originally sold for only 9,99 where the two other titles were sold for twice the price.

and b) we are waiting for the third TrackMania title? If important features to do with Maniaplanet and the general functionality of the existing titles are being neglected in order to create a new environment then that is deeply disappointing, and in my eyes looks like either a money grab or a case of the devs ignoring many vocal members of the community.

Hylis has announced more to come for the next year, that should be a "TrackMania year".
Of course the actual schedule might vary, but I think they admit that TrackMania fans are hungry for more very well made titles.
The devs are not ignoring us, they just have a different vision of the things to implement and when they might do it

Nighttime in europe = day in america and asia. In both these areas, there are nearly zero players. That's what I mean about night. TM is very much a european game.

Thats right. TrackMania apparently does not exist in Asia from our point of view, at least it seems there is no big communication between the communities.
And about NA, the players there seem to expect that Nadeo does everything for them, where in Europe, many players and hosters created servers and server services on their own.
Nadeo itself has not the power and not the resources to do all this, but thats something where Ubisoft could perhaps help.

And really? I need to tell others? You mean the last 10 years that my clan has made server scripts, hostet servers, got closed out of the canyon beta when we tried to develop server scripts for TM2, all that was not enugh? Now you want us to do the advertising aswell? When do we get our paycheck?

Apparently it was still not enough then.
If you like the game then don't stop, please do everything you can, provide help, provide servers, maps, skins etc., spread the word into the world, and then you simply have to live with the current player base, because you can't force anyone.
But there is no need to be frustrated.
If you want to give up, it's your decision, it might be sad for you and some of your mates, player count will drop for some while, but that's life then.

[Omnixor]

If you like the game then don't stop, please do everything you can, provide help, provide servers, maps, skins etc., spread the word into the world, and then you simply have to live with the current player base, because you can't force anyone.

I think there's WAY too less people get in return for doing all of this. Of course, for smth creative like titlepacks creatores might just get the fun of making them, but for server hosters I somehow imagine it to just be a tedious and not free task.

[Smigles]

Apparently it was still not enough then.
If you like the game then don't stop, please do everything you can, provide help, provide servers, maps, skins etc., spread the word into the world, and then you simply have to live with the current player base, because you can't force anyone.
But there is no need to be frustrated.
If you want to give up, it's your decision, it might be sad for you and some of your mates, player count will drop for some while, but that's life then.

We did more than enugh. Nadeo has to do somethign too, just releasing an engine is not enugh in the long run. I mean we have been hosting servers for 10 years now, and I am still doing it in TMU.

The main thing IMO is that I expected to have AT LEAST the functionality of TMU when tm2 is released. You had 10 years to look at what the community is doing. You saw how we built up dedimania, how we built up TMX, how we built up server scripts like ASECO, how we organised tournaments in ET and ESWC etc.

A smart producer would get the community involved and actively support the developement of those things DURING BETA so that the new game has AT LEAST the functions of the old game when it comes out. Why does TMX have to fight for its existance again and again for example when you have such a rich company like Ubisoft behind you? You know how much longer your game would exist if TMX goes down? Maybe a month at most?

I am not giving up. I am just very disapointed by the piss poor support of Nadeo. The community did like 90% of your work in the last 10 years. You more or less released the engine, and then some more enviroments for it with TMS and TMN. The entire contend was community produced. But listening to us when developing a new game, that's too much to ask, eh.

I still like the game. I just dont believe in Nadeos ability to get it running any more. There were just too many players lost in the transition from tm1 to tm2.

[Hylis]

the piss poor support of Nadeo

The audience of TM is the best since years. It's thanks to the support of the team here to build the ambitious Maniaplanet and the positive players with their energy around. The ones that are reacting like you do, to say that we do a bad support, while we work so much since year are just the #1 trouble around. Stop acting like this and wake up yourself. There is 50K players every day in TM1 + TM2, and this is quite enough to have fun and to look for the future. I will decrease a little because it's like that, but meanwhile, it can increase as well thanks to user made opportunities, better mindset, more positive players and the way the 2.0 web works. Read the introduction to the wishlist if you have miss something, and move forward.

Sorry, but there has to be a stop on waiting for us to do everything, even if we are still working hard for the future. Wake up, as the topic said!