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Re: Multiplayer Beta- We have a date!

Postby Trackmaniack » 10 Aug 2011, 20:09

Sounds like it. :D I'm stoked.
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Re: Multiplayer Beta- We have a date!

Postby metoxys » 10 Aug 2011, 20:13

I might ask again as my question was kind of ignored.

Will the beta that the real beta testers have be upgraded to a full game?
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Re: Multiplayer Beta- We have a date!

Postby _w_i_b10hanno » 10 Aug 2011, 20:55

Sounds good! But I guess you can only pre-order the download version? Is there a way to buy the DVD version afterwards for less money without a key?

I mean, I would liek to have teh game here next to me after the finall version has been released ;)
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Re: Multiplayer Beta- We have a date!

Postby Hylis » 10 Aug 2011, 21:13

Ravious wrote:So... my big question is whether this promo will be available on Steam. Yes, I know I can "add game" to Steam so that I still get Steam chat, etc., but I would prefer that Canyon is in my Steam library just like TMUF.

Can you let us know which outlets this promo is available?


The game is unnanounced on Steam at the moment. If it arrives, it will be later.

We are used to Steam and both TrackMania Nations and United have been well distributed over the year on it. I also use Steam as a consumer and find it great. It has good services and it is confortable for many aspects. But we are now launching Maniaplanet, and there are two main reasons for waiting before a potential integration in Steam.

First, this is like a game operating system and it is very complexe for a lot of topics. Some of you already tested the automatic updater, know that we are synchronizing profile on our side that all the titles will be in one executable etc. I am not sure Steam would fit in Steam, like I am not sure an internet browser would fit in an internet browser. it is a distant comparison and we may even look after supporting Steam in addition to the stand alone platform, but we concentrate on the game at the moment.

Second, Maniaplanet is a collection of titles. It has it's own reasons to be together and to provide to the users an inner circle of thrust and also of products, off course. In Maniaplanet, all the titles will share the capacities of a user powered platform, you will have only one account and a single layer of software, you will have one support system, one taste, one standard of quality and one level of thrust. This is a strength for Steam and other succesful companies, and we would like it to be a strength of us in the eyes of our clients. We would like people to think that any title on Maniaplanet is a fun, beautiful, working well on their PC and with quality support. I don't say we will succeed and players can be doubtful at the beginning and we even may lose sells because of this. And we may also adapt depending on the results we are capable to reach.

Only one thing annoys me a here. If, finally, we spend the work required to overcome the first point and decide that it is better for consumer, finally, to go with the second ones, it means that we may try to put Maniaplanet on Steam. At this moment, if you bought the title outside but would like it to be included in your library, you would have to buy it again. We know people do this, especially when prices are low. We could say it is good for us, but I don't really like it. The right solution would be for Steam to "sell" only the integration in the library, corresponding to the effective revenu they would like from it. They are able to sell lot of games at very low price, so it may means that it could be a reasonnable price, even if it is always a balance of everything that defines a price policy.

So, if you really want it on Steam, I can suggest to wait of either see a change in their policy, so you can feel secure to buy it outside of it today or to wait to see if we go on it and all I can say to help is that if it happens, it is very likely to be next year.

I appreciate Valve a lot and their approach on many topics, from the way they work inside the studio to the way they promote indies. Sometimes I make joke about fighting against Valve, but that's more because we see them as great competitors. And rest assured that I don't think they see us like that ^_^

Finally, to make the answer even more complete, and so you can understand why I took time to explain this, I can say that the real question for me was to go 100% on Steam or 0%, at least at the beginning. Going 100%, we would have used their tools and the players would have had the same environment for all. The first point would have been compensated by the time gained by using their tools. But while it presented good advantages, it is always a risk linked to an unknown future of the company, on a technical aspect of things or a business one. Our team stayed on PC instead of consoles because we are somehow independant of many things, and this is also like a dependancy I wanted to avoid. I wish it is the right decision and that the Maniaplanet players will think this in the future as well.

PS: I have read your article and appreciated it. I have read the last sentence as well, but this morning, while I was coming back to work, I was thinking about "I was seeing a genesis" And I walked just a little faster :thx:
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Re: Multiplayer Beta- We have a date!

Postby Hylis » 10 Aug 2011, 21:18

metoxys wrote:I might ask again as my question was kind of ignored.

Will the beta that the real beta testers have be upgraded to a full game?


1. you will have to buy the game to have it if it is your question

2. if your question is if the beta testers will upgrade to the full game beta tests, I don't know yet

and my answer can't be complete since I don't know when you will have to do one or two. It is linked to account registration and database need or not to be reset.
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Re: Multiplayer Beta- We have a date!

Postby ionian » 10 Aug 2011, 21:20

Nice response Hylis - thanks.

A Genesis you say?

"In the beginning, there was the code, and Hylis saw that the code was good..."
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Re: Multiplayer Beta- We have a date!

Postby metoxys » 10 Aug 2011, 21:43

ionian wrote:Nice response Hylis - thanks.

A Genesis you say?

"In the beginning, there was the code, and Hylis saw that the code was good..."

In the beginning there was TrackMania Original and the whole world should have seen that the whole series and everything related to it is good
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Re: Multiplayer Beta- We have a date!

Postby Hylis » 10 Aug 2011, 21:58

l0wGameR wrote:I dont have onlinebanking!

the team is looking after implementing offline methof of paiment such as PaySafeCard. However, it is possible that it will be available later, but I would bet on September. I don't want to make a promise here.
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Re: Multiplayer Beta- We have a date!

Postby Hylis » 10 Aug 2011, 22:01

Chevron wrote:If I buy beta version I'll install it immediately and then (the release) it'll automatically update. But what if I install it after the release (my laptop)? Will it update immediately or an installer will directly install release version?

If I buy beta version will I be able to download release version after the release for free (deleted file)?

I am quite sure you will have access to the full setup of the game. If you are worried, you can still copy the files from one computer to another and simply connect to your account. There is three directory for the games: the .exe, the application data and your datas.
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Re: Multiplayer Beta- We have a date!

Postby Ravious » 10 Aug 2011, 22:04

Thanks for the very complete answer, Hylis. :D
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