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novationx
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Better Communication please

Post by novationx »

Hi NADEO,

I would like to say that promising updates and then simply delaying them with a full year (because you change plans and wanna focus on TM) is véry véry missleading and in a way it are just lies.

I'm not saying this because I wanna put some oil on the fire or make things worse. I'm just expressing a feeling.
For example the power-up was mentioned in July 2014 and if you open that topic you can read that it sounds nothing like "We will focus on TM in 2015 with 0 updates in 2015 for SM." Hylis didn't create this power-up thread to have it ready 2years later. No he didnt.

I would like to avoid communication like this in the future as it is missleading. Obviously NADEO didnt have bad intentions, but I guess it should have been handled better.


Now lets take a closer look at what I'm talking about :
Hylis wrote:
Shootmania
« Power Up! »


Introduction
This operation is three things: a start, a trip and a destination

The start is a first update to arrive within a week. The trip will be about multiple updates of the gameplay & rules, based on your feedbacks and our solutions. The destination is the goal I gave in Hello Planet #4 to have an indisputable FPS champion to welcome the noobs, gamers and competitors from around the world in the horizon of the beginning of 2015.

This start, trip and destination are going to mainly be on three elements: competitions, modes and gameplay.

SOURCE : viewtopic.php?f=10&t=28226&start=0#p219954
POSTED 1/7/2014
Shootmania Storm “Power Up!”

This operation will start this week, with some key components such as gameplay update, competitions abilities to provide ladder points and works on major modes. After, it will be based on regular updates and adjustments up to next year. The goal is to have an indisputable FPS champion to welcome the noobs, gamers and competitors from around the world.


SOURCE : http://blog.maniaplanet.com/blog/2014/0 ... -planet-4/
POSTED 30/6/2014
What regular updates? I think you should work on your definition of regular.



So players are slowly leaving, then we get news about this promising update so that players stick around because faith is restored! The future has been assured: Regular updates + Power-Up to have a good FPS in the beginning of 2015. Then not a single word of information what so ever. Absolutely nothing. To then find out (on a forum hardly anyone reads, not even in the SM section) that the focus in 2015 will be on TrackMania and that we dont have to expect any updates in 2015 for ShootMania. This game has never had a playerbase this small and it's decreasing every day.

I know it's no fun for you either, but how are we supposed to feel? You dont honestly expect us to be happy with this, dont you? We don't get any explanations here in the ShootMania threads. We dont get an apology. We get nothing.
The only thing positive at the moment is Paragon which is doing an awesome job every week.

Ask yourself this:
- Would Paragon-League have existed if they knew no updates were coming?
- Same question for CPS.


A couple of weeks ago Hylis said that the team is bigger than ever and that it never ran as smooth as now in the offices! "Ubisoft believes in NADEO and we're going to create a great game"
Well, in this maniaplanet blogpost you can read these exact same words too, almost 1 year ago!

I still believe in NADEO, but you are certainly losing your credibility ( and players )


And then you started this "no communication/teasers-thingy" which simply doesn't work and of all the games I have played I never saw any devs doing it like this.

I know it's about patience, but in this case it doesnt feel like a virtue at all. I'm honestly and deeply dissapointed. I know you all have 2 hands and you cant do everything at once.... but still...
Start listenting to your community and pro-players and give us what we want via frequent updates : Leaderboards, Statistics, More Blocks and Block-Improvements, an overall improved design ( both MP as SM ) and frequent updates for all other things. Build upon what you have rather than adding new stuff.


TO BE CONTINUED
Last edited by novationx on 05 May 2015, 11:25, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Better Communication please

Post by novationx »

Also this video posted in 2012 - The reason why I play ShootMania

Link : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0QYzXaMmv0

"Already 6years in developement"
So that is since 2006... So why am I still waiting for updates in 2016?
"Developed from the beginning with Esports in Mind"
Yeah Baby! That's my type of game! But why are you making it more casual every update?
"If a feature didnt fit Esports then it would be removed/reworked so that it would fit Esports"
Wow! Awesome! But true? I've seen Hylis say that he wants a more casual game.
"TrackMania has 700 000 daily players" ( in 2012 )
Holy Moly! And I'm waiting on my empty Instagib server to play ShootMania...
2:30 '"Esports"
2:37 "Esports game"

Where is this ShootMania that we got promised by this lovely lady in the video? :oops:
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Re: Better Communication please

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novationx wrote:...A lot of good punchlines...
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Where is this ShootMania that we got promised by this lovely lady in the video? :oops:
It was at beta stage ;)
"BE PATIENT" -> It's always up-to-date here, isn't it?
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Re: Better Communication please

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What? I'm sorry but I failed to understand your reply. :oops:
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Re: Better Communication please

Post by Hylis »

First we started with updates, but it quickly went into the same pattern again: move something, people like/dislike, difficulties to have tests with map changes or test gameplay evolution. So, we decided that we need bigger releases first, before making small updates on them, and our target is to mix Maniaplanet 4 & Power Up together for 2016. It helped us concentrate on Trackmania and it's good to do! 2016 should be a Shootmania year inside the studio and it will be good to for us, since we so much like the game, the creative aspect of it and the competitive aspect of it. Adding stuff for noobs is also a big plus, since they are the ones to be the Elite later on.

And I understand I should be careful before saying anything that is not sure.
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