Vee and Team Carbon

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Keremz
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by Keremz » 25 Sep 2014, 09:04

I, too, would like some explanations about what happened. Because when I played these guys, they had very good teamplay and individual skills for NA players (ie gap level between EU and NA is kind of huge). Apart from the fact that they made me litterally tilt with their highping-teleportationDBZ level, I did not see any blattant shady business.

So where's NADEO' statement about this?
Khan

dovahk1n
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by dovahk1n » 25 Sep 2014, 10:37

I've recently spent 6 months in Canada, so i used to play a lot with Team Carbon on NA servers, and i've never seen something dodgy about them. Anyway i'm more interested about how NADEO can prove that vee has used cheats recently, did they use a real anti-cheat or should we all be worried about being kicked of Maniaplanet just because we were accused of cheating for no reason ?
I think the whole community just want an official statement from NADEO with at least a proof (like the replays of the rounds in which vee is supposed to be cheating OR a screen of your anti-cheat working in a vee's replay).

Marvalz
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by Marvalz » 25 Sep 2014, 10:42

dovahk1n wrote:I've recently spent 6 months in Canada, so i used to play a lot with Team Carbon on NA servers, and i've never seen something dodgy about them. Anyway i'm more interested about how NADEO can prove that vee has used cheats recently, did they use a real anti-cheat or should we all be worried about being kicked of Maniaplanet just because we were accused of cheating for no reason ?
I think the whole community just want an official statement from NADEO with at least a proof (like the replays of the rounds in which vee is supposed to be cheating OR a screen of your anti-cheat working in a vee's replay).
Last night Testyrabbit downloaded all of the server side attack rounds that Vee had in the timeframe they said he cheated. He sent them in an email to many people and when he wakes up I will tell him to post them here so people can see for themselves.

Marvalz
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by Marvalz » 25 Sep 2014, 11:16

dovahk1n wrote:I've recently spent 6 months in Canada, so i used to play a lot with Team Carbon on NA servers, and i've never seen something dodgy about them. Anyway i'm more interested about how NADEO can prove that vee has used cheats recently, did they use a real anti-cheat or should we all be worried about being kicked of Maniaplanet just because we were accused of cheating for no reason ?
(like the replays of the rounds in which vee is supposed to be cheating).
http://www.mediafire.com/download/t7h4k ... n_khan.rar

Edit: These replays are server side.

I got tired of waiting for Testyrabbit to wake up so I downloaded these really quickly. This is just replays from 3 maps/1game. If you wish to see more, like I said he will post all of the replays from September 1st-12th. That's the time they say he was cheating.

This is all of vee's attack rounds in our ESL match on September 7th against Khan, Frasken and a player I don't recall. September 1st-12th is the time we have been told he was "cheating." The map score was 2-1 us. I believe we won Calypso and Numb but lost Thust. Khan posted in this thread he can confirm that these are indeed the replays from our match on September 7th.

testyrabbit
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by testyrabbit » 25 Sep 2014, 13:14

Hello everyone,
Sorry this is so delayed, it is only 5 AM here and dealing with this is exhausting. You can download every single server-side attack round vee had (win or loss) that I was able to grab here. We appreciate this support from you guys wanting to get the bottom of this, and respect that you want the truth from Nadeo. Some quick stats, vee had 33% attack win during this time period, and many of them were from capping the pole on euro servers. Of course, we all want you to form your own opinions on whether you believe vee is cheating or not, and here are the serverside replays from the dates of September 1st until September 12th to help you decide.

Thanks,
TestyRabbit

EDIT* because I'm tired so I had a lot of typos

kremsy
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by kremsy » 25 Sep 2014, 13:48

I know the guys quite good, especially Vee and TestyRabbit and I am 100% sure that they are not cheating, I watched them alot in our own Torunaments and talked and hang quite along out with these People.

It's a bit of a shame that they got banned and removed from ESWC, they spent a lot of effort into shootmania, as an american Team to go to the ESWC, I kinda compare it with the movie "Cool Runnings". I hope it will be a bit more investigated, vee get unbanned and they get allowed to drive to the ESWC.

I have also some situation where I saw myself that cav is only abusing TC because he don't like them or whatever. And it is also not fair from the Europe Shootmaniacommunity to be rude on Team Carbon and say bad things to them because they are just lagging while they play against them.

I hope this all takes an Happy-end.
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pksens
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by pksens » 25 Sep 2014, 13:51

Is http://www.reddit.com/user/ahrim4n really Sylvain? He responds quite frequently to e-mails if you were to look for confirmation on that part. I had just assumed it was another potential Cav account but then the removal on the ESWC page happened.
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testyrabbit
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by testyrabbit » 25 Sep 2014, 13:54

pksens wrote:Is http://www.reddit.com/user/ahrim4n really Sylvain? He responds quite frequently to e-mails if you were to look for confirmation on that part. I had just assumed it was another potential Cav account but then the removal on the ESWC page happened.
Yeah, I sent him emails about appealing the ban last night and trying to get him to hold off on inviting another NA team but he did not answer me. I have had no communication with Sylvain since we were banned, but Marvalz did receive something from him in response to us trying to get vee's ban appealed.

pksens
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by pksens » 25 Sep 2014, 14:15

Speaking of which; just noticed he edited the comment from details about triggerbotting until Sept 12 to simply 'cheating earlier this month', same also with Lersion.
Maybe he was wrong on a couple of details, or didn't have the full picture, or didn't want to indulge you with these specifics. Either way, Nadeo could lend a hand here. If there's a replay of someone cheating, it should be pretty doable to spot - triggerbots tend to have unnatural timings.
If they looked at Kryw's demos from last months they could have banned him also regarding ping hacking, but there's a bit of a grey area with bug abuse and cheats.
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Marvalz
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by Marvalz » 25 Sep 2014, 14:18

pksens wrote:Speaking of which; just noticed he edited the comment from details about triggerbotting until Sept 12 to simply 'cheating earlier this month', same also with Lersion.
Maybe he was wrong on a couple of details, or didn't have the full picture, or didn't want to indulge you with these specifics. Either way, Nadeo could lend a hand here. If there's a replay of someone cheating, it should be pretty doable to spot - triggerbots tend to have unnatural timings.
If they looked at Kryw's demos from last months they would could have banned him also regarding ping hacking, but there's a bit of a grey area with bug abuse and cheats.
Yes! All we ask is they post the replays that they say Vee is "cheating" in. If he's cheating it should be obvious and this whole thing will be put to rest.

Edit: Hell they don't even need to post them, we have all the replays of vee's from the past MONTH. Tell me the date and we will glady look in his replay folder, downloaded server side, and post them for all to see.

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