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Marvalz
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by Marvalz » 26 Sep 2014, 01:00

pksens wrote:Looked at a few replays: one named "Changa3Rail" does have triggerbot elements to it (2nd shot is pure luck or trigger, no skill, 3rd shot is a bit of a sweep given it's a server replay). If there are more like this, then, yes Nadeo has a case.
Here is the 1st shot sens is referring to. When he jumps to kill the guy on rail please pay close attention to the type of mouse movement he uses and compare it to this. When Vee jumps on the edge/lip and then immediately drops back down, at 5:34-5:35 seconds, it is the same exact type of mouse movement that he uses online months later. This is just the way Vee moves his mouse.
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testyrabbit
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by testyrabbit » 26 Sep 2014, 01:03

Marvalz wrote:
pksens wrote:Looked at a few replays: one named "Changa3Rail" does have triggerbot elements to it (2nd shot is pure luck or trigger, no skill, 3rd shot is a bit of a sweep given it's a server replay). If there are more like this, then, yes Nadeo has a case.
Here is the 1st shot sens is referring to. When he jumps to kill the guy on rail please pay close attention to the type of mouse movement he uses and compare it to this. When Vee jumps on the edge/lip and then immediately drops back down, at 5:34-5:35 seconds, it is the same exact type of mouse movement that he uses online over 18 months later. This is just the way Vee moves his mouse.
To add to this, if it was a trigger than the first shot on the railpad would have hit since the guy was standing way out in the open. The shot on the top left pillar was just a lucky prefire.

novationx
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by novationx » 26 Sep 2014, 01:20

useless discussion...
Should just wait for some sort of official feedback. In the meanwhile just keep training ur maps & be ready :)
The neverending waiting game has to stop.

Marvalz
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by Marvalz » 26 Sep 2014, 04:51

We are currently scrimming in a North American server. Come and see for yourself. It is the server B2G Private and the password is z.

Edit: We have finished our scrim.

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plopp
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by plopp » 26 Sep 2014, 10:50

pksens wrote:Looked at a few replays: one named "Changa3Rail" does have triggerbot elements to it (2nd shot is pure luck or trigger, no skill, 3rd shot is a bit of a sweep given it's a server replay). If there are more like this, then, yes Nadeo has a case.
Then maybe Nadeo should take a closer look at team high focus/fm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7QTJi_TtRg#t=92
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqAlTXl7kb4#t=263
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqAlTXl7kb4#t=376

(this was from a 10 second google search, top 2 videos)

Marvalz
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by Marvalz » 26 Sep 2014, 11:19

plopp wrote:
pksens wrote:Looked at a few replays: one named "Changa3Rail" does have triggerbot elements to it (2nd shot is pure luck or trigger, no skill, 3rd shot is a bit of a sweep given it's a server replay). If there are more like this, then, yes Nadeo has a case.
Then maybe Nadeo should take a closer look at team high focus/fm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7QTJi_TtRg#t=92
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqAlTXl7kb4#t=263
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqAlTXl7kb4#t=376

(this was from a 10 second google search, top 2 videos)
Yoooooo the commentator in the cplay clips is hyppppppppppe. I don't know what he was saying but it was awesome lol.

novationx
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by novationx » 26 Sep 2014, 11:25

Marvalz wrote:We are currently scrimming in a North American server. Come and see for yourself. It is the server B2G Private and the password is z.

Edit: We have finished our scrim.
You inviting us so we can see how ur not cheating isnt proof :p Obviously you wouldnt be cheating there & then :p
( Not that I think you guys ever cheated )
The neverending waiting game has to stop.

Marvalz
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by Marvalz » 26 Sep 2014, 11:38

novationx wrote:
Marvalz wrote:We are currently scrimming in a North American server. Come and see for yourself. It is the server B2G Private and the password is z.

Edit: We have finished our scrim.
You inviting us so we can see how ur not cheating isnt proof :p Obviously you wouldnt be cheating there & then :p ( Not that I think you guys ever cheated )
Ah, yes you are indeed correct. My teammates mentioned this point right after I posted but I decided to leave it anyways. It's hard to put myself in the point of view you just mentioned because Vee has been playing the same way online and on LAN for over 18 months. From my perspective, he has never been cheating so people watching us scrim yesterday or Vee play on LAN last year makes no difference to me as it is all the same for him. I am just very adamant on clearing Vee's and Team Carbon's name in anyway possible. My apologies.
novationx wrote: ( Not that I think you guys ever cheated )
Thank you very much for your support. It means more than you think.

pksens
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by pksens » 26 Sep 2014, 11:46

Okay I have to dig my heels in a bit here. A few of you are confused with what I have written and also some other statements are quite off the mark.

1. The videos at PAX East do not contribute to the discussion (even though the opponents in that tournament have to be some of the worst I have ever seen at an event). A cheater is someone who has the capacity to cheat at 1 time and does so, nothing to do with frequency or 'but he was clean in April!!' etc.
2. Just because someone else does 'insane' shots also contributes nothing to the discussion. The type of shot has to be analysed. There are factors to everything.
3. The shots I mention I can't believe some of you have confused over: it's clear I meant the kill he hit on the pillar at the back. He hits the guy within 130ms of appearing behind it: now you know reactions have to be over 150ms (plus ping, hardware, server lag). So it's an impossible shot ie triggerbot, or, simple luck.
The 2nd dodgy shot was the final kill on the pole, he hits the guy but his crosshair finishes a few body widths to the left of the player.
Now, if you can say this is normal, fine - it's true you can have this. But my argument is that IF he has a lot of replays that show this, or, over a course of a small time frame (ie this September week in mention), or for 1 tournament (like Damzkcu at EPL using it for 3 matches ONLY), then Nadeo have a genuine case for banning him.
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novationx
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Re: Vee and Team Carbon

Post by novationx » 26 Sep 2014, 11:51

Yeah +1 sens!
If they have on record that you cheated, I dont care if it was in 2012, then you deserve to get banned. EZ PZ :D
The neverending waiting game has to stop.

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