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TrackMania - Attention and more!

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Sup guys, I've got some thoughts...

Competitive
Well, just look at the competitive scene in TrackMania. It's a game with (probably) the smallest community and is still active in competitive (ESWC, ESL, GA, etc.). It's probably the best racing game you can play competitivly. It's completely skill-based, without ranks/items/etc., which makes it unique. It's the perfect competitive racing game out there. Just see the fact, it's still there in those tournaments, although its community is probably the smallest.
But there are a lot disadvanteges of this small community in competitive scene. Let's imagine, you're founding a completely new clan. Which players do you want to ask to join ... ? There are always the same "professional" players. You can't ask "nonames", as there just aren't many new players, which are good enough. But what's the reason for this?

Community
The community is probably the best community by all video games out there. It's small, it's nice and most of the players are helpful. It has advantes and disadvantages. Advantage is that you have the contact, even to the professional players. You can just write them, or really play with them. They aren't "gaming heroes, you won't see ever online".
Disadvantages... well, TrackMania isn't getting the attention, it deserves. If the community would be bigger, the attention would be more. Also, I'm just in fear that TM will disappear from big tournaments soon, as the community is too small (-> not enough viewers, e.g. -> not enough attention -> not enough money incoming).
Also, the community puts much effort on the game. E.g. just see the TM edits on Youtube, TmTube, etc. They're awesome, creative and there's a huge amount of work behind them. But they're only getting (on Youtube) 1-2k views, if you're lucky. Though, this community is the most active ever, and the community with the most effort in a game, ever.

So what can you do for keeping TM alive?
No idea, basically. Just keep the community up. It's getting less, but there ARE possibilities to keep it alive. I don't want to see this game dying in 1-2 years. But what can help to keep the community growing? I don't know, do you guys have some suggestions? Maybe referring the game to friends, sharing its videos, telling the people how awesome this game is. No idea. :) But one thing, I do know! THIS game needs more attention! It needs the attention it really deserves! So, keep it alive guys, strengthen the community!

Just some thoughts of me. I <3 this game and I <3 this community!

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Some youtube videos are making it this year, thanks to people like Kwebbelkop, ZeratoR, Just Rohn, vodK and others. It takes a lot of views, downloads and time for new people to arise in the community and this is why I believe you are right that welcoming them well is really important. And with Trackmania Turbo, it will be a great opportunity to find even more TM community members! News are incoming at a regular pace and it should just become bigger and bigger toward the release \o/
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Hylis wrote:Some youtube videos are making it this year, thanks to people like Kwebbelkop, ZeratoR, Just Rohn, vodK and others. It takes a lot of views, downloads and time for new people to arise in the community and this is why I believe you are right that welcoming them well is really important. And with Trackmania Turbo, it will be a great opportunity to find even more TM community members! News are incoming at a regular pace and it should just become bigger and bigger toward the release \o/
No Hylis, please. This isn't a discussion about TM:Turbo.

No, Tm:Turbo won't find new Trackmania members, jesus christ, you didn't get the message, at all. You SHOULD work on TMUF or TM²:STADIUM. Not on a new title, no one will buy. Seriously, Hylis, please, I didn't mention Nadeo yet, but yeah, because of Nadeo's "work" bugs didn't get fixed, so please, stop talking about TM:Turbo in this topic, thanks, mate!

You didn't even read my topic,probably.
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What I can say is there are still great ESL competitions on Trackmania and there will again be an ESWC competition plus a VR tournament in Paris: http://www.eswc.com/en/news/trackmania- ... ompetition ;)
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CrunchZ wrote:No, Tm:Turbo won't find new Trackmania members, jesus christ, you didn't get the message, at all. You SHOULD work on TMUF or TM²:STADIUM. Not on a new title, no one will buy. Seriously, Hylis, please, I didn't mention Nadeo yet, but yeah, because of Nadeo's "work" bugs didn't get fixed, so please, stop talking about TM:Turbo in this topic, thanks, mate!

You didn't even read my topic,probably.
You are talking about the size of the community.

I think that dividing Trackmania² into multiple games has reduced the community.
Right now, it's too complicated to play: you have to buy every environments, you have to know which environments have been bought by your friends... (some big Trackmania fans haven't bought every environments :?)

Trackmania Turbo may be the solution: Only 1 game with everything included.
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Alinoa wrote:What I can say is there are still great ESL competitions on Trackmania and there will again be an ESWC competition plus a VR tournament in Paris: http://www.eswc.com/en/news/trackmania- ... ompetition ;)
OFF-TOPIC : and ESWC SM? Any word on that? Still too early to ask? Or simply "no" ?
Please let us ( sm community ) know. Ty. ;)
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Alinoa wrote:What I can say is there are still great ESL competitions on Trackmania and there will again be an ESWC competition plus a VR tournament in Paris: http://www.eswc.com/en/news/trackmania- ... ompetition ;)
I know, Alinoa, I was ESL admin in the TM² scene. But my question is, what are you planning for the future or did you already gave up TM²: Stadium competitive? I'm talking about bugfixing ManiaPlanet. I'm afraid that you won't fix any bugs on ManiaPlanet when TM:Turbo is out....
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CrunchZ wrote:I'm afraid that you won't fix any bugs on ManiaPlanet when TM:Turbo is out....
Why that?
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Cerovan wrote:
CrunchZ wrote:I'm afraid that you won't fix any bugs on ManiaPlanet when TM:Turbo is out....
Why that?
Well you didn't fix bugs on TMUF when ManiaPlanet got released. And, to be honest, ManiaPlanet has so many bugs, at the moment (friends list, server browser, etc.), I'm just afraid, because most developers are just watching at the money. "How can we get more causual newbies" instead of paying attention to the players, which are playing this game for years, reporting bugs, and nothing happenes.

Just giving you one bad example, probably: QUESTMANIA. You said, you will release QM, when SM and ManiaPlanet are running fluently. Remembering your E3 trailer in 2012 "Questmania: Coming soon". Well, I don't know about low-budget, but seriously, you have to notice that ManiaPlanet isn't running fluently at all. This game has an awesome potential, please don't waste it with developing more games.... focus on the old games and fix them first, please, guys!!
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CrunchZ wrote:Well you didn't fix bugs on TMUF when ManiaPlanet got released. And, to be honest, ManiaPlanet has so many bugs, at the moment (friends list, server browser, etc.), I'm just afraid, because most developers are just watching at the money. "How can we get more causual newbies" instead of paying attention to the players, which are playing this game for years, reporting bugs, and nothing happenes.
We have already stated that Turbo has not be built to be evolutive, it's more a checkpoint in time and space. Maniaplanet will have the focus back once Turbo released (and moreover, Turbo gave us plenty of experience in several areas to improve Maniaplanet then).
CrunchZ wrote:Just giving you one bad example, probably: QUESTMANIA. You said, you will release QM, when SM and ManiaPlanet are running fluently.
SM and Maniaplanet isn't running fluently enough to focus on QM for the moment, we prefer to work on fixing TM/SM/MP (with PowerUp and MP4 partially) before starting QM.
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