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lemoniada
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Paragon League Problem

Post by lemoniada » 11 Jul 2015, 21:39

Hello guys,

I hope with this thread I can get the attention from nadeo here, because Paragon League, which is sponsored by Nadeo, is corrupt and doing malicious things.

Tch , vision and me just wanted to play our first elite cup on paragon. We won our first two games and on the third one lukas interrupted us and said we are disqualfied from the cup. They said that we weren't allowed to play udner a VPN and that we play on smurf accounts. It is true that we play under a VPN because we are getting ddos-ed regularly and its just painful to have these unexpected lags. Before the cup there was stated nothing in their rules that playing under a VPN after they disqualified us they just edited the rules fast and wrote that it was. Then they just accused us for being 3 players which got banned from paragon league, which we have no idea who they are. Secondly we are no smurfs..

Why should it be prohibited to play under a VPN, I really see no disantvantage and they have not showed us any proof that we are the guys they meant which we are or that we are smurfs... And why should they ban players from their already small playerbase just for using a VPN, I really cant see the reasons.

Screens:
http://screenshu.com/static/uploads/tem ... 1cxcxx.jpg
http://screenshu.com/static/uploads/tem ... tav53x.jpg
http://screenshu.com/static/uploads/tem ... ur4440.jpg

They just keep saying "we have the proof" but they showed us not one. We could not get their proof out because they just muted us on their lobby.

I hope Nadeo reacts to this problem appropriatly to this and I really hope things get sorted out so we can play on paragon league again.

Greets

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Re: Paragon League Problem

Post by kremsy » 11 Jul 2015, 21:50

You even joined our Teamspeak after and didn't want to talk with us, or show us your real ip.

We have clear proofs that you are played with smurf accounts because your main accounts are banned from Paragon League. You tried to deceive the admins with playing the vpn to not show your real identity.

You said disqualifying was against the rules?

Read this rule:
Disqualification of teams: Trying to deceive an admin.
If you give us your real ips / names we can talk about the situation.
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Re: Paragon League Problem

Post by novationx » 11 Jul 2015, 21:57

kremsy wrote:You even joined our Teamspeak after and didn't want to talk with us, or show us your real ip.

We have clear proofs that you are played with smurf accounts because your main accounts are banned from Paragon League.

If you give us your real ips / names we can talk about the situation.
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lemoniada
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Re: Paragon League Problem

Post by lemoniada » 11 Jul 2015, 21:59

This makes no sense at all. If you have the proof already, why do you even ask us for this information.

"We have clear proofs that you are played with smurf accounts because your main accounts are banned from Paragon League."

???? Again this is so incoherent. Just because someone is banned from paragon league doesn't mean that we are the smurfs from them.

If you have the fucking proof then just show them here !

EDIT: You are just editing your Rules like your reply to find a reason to ban us or what. In the rules was nothing stated that vpn's aren't forbidden
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kremsy
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Re: Paragon League Problem

Post by kremsy » 11 Jul 2015, 22:00

lemoniada wrote:This makes no sense at all. If you have the proof already, why do you even ask us for this information.

"We have clear proofs that you are played with smurf accounts because your main accounts are banned from Paragon League."

???? Again this is so incoherent. Just because someone is banned from paragon league doesn't mean that we are the smurfs from them.

If you have the fucking proof then just show them here !
Well if you say everything is fine, join us on Teamspeak (without VPN) and talk with us, we give you the oppurtunity to defend yourself.
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Re: Paragon League Problem

Post by lemoniada » 11 Jul 2015, 22:05

Why do you keep saying without VPN... You clearly have no proof and are just searching for them. If you really have proof then show them here to everyone. You are simply banning people based on assumptions and you have no proof to back it up. You have no right to ban people based on assumptions..

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Re: Paragon League Problem

Post by kremsy » 11 Jul 2015, 22:07

lemoniada wrote:Why do you keep saying without VPN... You clearly have no proof and are just searching for them. If you really have proof then show them here to everyone. You are simply banning people based on assumptions and you have no proof to back it up.
You think we have no proof, and no we wont show the proof public as people could use the information and spoof our detection system :).

Beside that, look that screenshot:
http://pictures.paragon-esports.com/upl ... Shot86.jpg
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lemoniada
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Re: Paragon League Problem

Post by lemoniada » 11 Jul 2015, 22:22

We are waiting for the proofs.

What is this screenshot supposed be. Should that be proof that we are these guys or what? So you want to say us you banned us based on this screenshot? Or of what do your "proofs" consist of???

VPN is something private we need and we can't afford to be vulnurable to attacks. We cannot just disconnect us from it.

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Re: Paragon League Problem

Post by wooloo » 11 Jul 2015, 22:35

You have to understand, using a vpn and hiding your IP just makes you look like you were trying your real identity. Don't know the whole situation here tho.
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Re: Paragon League Problem

Post by arn22433 » 11 Jul 2015, 23:20

lemoniada wrote:You have no right to ban people based on assumptions..
It's their cup so they decided who they ban. You've been banned because you've vpn which doesn't allow them to verify your identity. There's no reason to keep your ip secret except if you've been banned so give them your ip and then you'll have a reason to complain.

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