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Trackmania remake titles discussion

Post by adamkooo2 » 21 Jun 2017, 15:16

ManiaDesign wrote:
20 Jun 2017, 17:28
August - September: Release of Snow
October - December: Beta of Speed
January - May 2018: Development of Rally, first beta expected around June
Soon: Coast, later Bay and other environments
Thank you for copying my idea :/
There could be nothing wrong with that, but I have wasted almost 3 years of development of TM2UF and if I would know that someone would do it too I wouldn't do it, because why have 2 same titlepacks (not 100% same but the idea and base are same). When you were writing with me you said that you want to choose one environment that you want to recreate (Snow). Later you said that you want to remake just TMO. And now this.
I gave you my files, created menu with scripts and so on and you didn't even include me in "thanks page" (I have included you in TM2UF).
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BTW: Relasing a post 1 hour later than I did is good strategy. Only you will have views in your's post and mine will not be seen.
BTW 2: This is just my point of view, so don't critise me pls, it's not hate
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Re: TrackMania One - A new challenge

Post by ManiaDesign » 21 Jun 2017, 15:37

adamkooo2 wrote:
21 Jun 2017, 15:16
ManiaDesign wrote:
20 Jun 2017, 17:28
August - September: Release of Snow
October - December: Beta of Speed
January - May 2018: Development of Rally, first beta expected around June
Soon: Coast, later Bay and other environments
Thank you for copying my idea :/
There could be nothing wrong with that, but I have wasted almost 3 years of development of TM2UF and if I would know that someone would do it too I wouldn't do it, because why have 2 same titlepacks (not 100% same but the idea and base are same). When you were writing with me you said that you want to choose one environment that you want to recreate (Snow). Later you said that you want to remake just TMO. And now this.
I gave you my files, created menu with scripts and so on and you didn't even include me in "thanks page" (I have included you in TM2UF).

BTW: Relasing a post 1 hour later than I did is good strategy. Only you will have views in your's post and mine will not be seen.
BTW 2: This is just my point of view, so don't critise me pls, it's not hate
Alright, why do you think you wasted that time? You are working since 3 years now, and the result is insane. You got many downloads and view on your forum topic. Why don't keep it up? In february 2016 I started in the development of Snow. The plan of us: Make a new titlepack including snow together. I deleted the skype-chat, so i can't search the messages again, but it was like this. So well, I started with snow and I even showed you the first objects (a video I sent you) But you didn't help making it, so I kept the development for myself. The time passed and I really started with continuing snow and in october it was there. Some people wished more of those remakes, so well. In february this year I started on Speed, the desert environment as TP, which was my favourite after Snow. Then I decided to do Rally as well after it, so a TMO remake would be done. But many people wished Coast or Bay as next after Speed, so I added them to my schedule as well. Finally this would be a complete TMU remake, yep. It still has nothing to do with your project, as there is a big difference between your objects and mine (I mean style, number of objects, quality, textures e.g.)

You gave me some of your script files, to see, how it works. It was in the time when we worked together, which is passed. I made the menu-style of snow and Guerro completely made the script part, so there should be nothing of your scripts included into my titlepack. I took people to the thanks page, like mappers, scripters and finally the music-maker woolookologie, who will take the music-role on TrackMania One as well. The snow-interface you sent is a pretty old file, which isn't used in my titlepack, I could send the current one, but i won't do it. Btw, that about the mod was in february one year ago, so the time when "we worked together" on the pretty old snow, which as discontinued later u know.

If your topic is shown on the "new posts" site, where is the problem? I usually check the posts below earlied than the new posts, your pov.
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Re: TrackMania One - A new challenge

Post by adamkooo2 » 21 Jun 2017, 16:24

ManiaDesign wrote:
21 Jun 2017, 15:37
Make a new titlepack including snow together. I deleted the skype-chat, so i can't search the messages again, but it was like this. So well, I started with snow and I even showed you the first objects (a video I sent you) But you didn't help making it, so I kept the development for myself.
I have sent you my whole folder of my items including fbx, xml and textures and my snow mod. I know the items were horrible in that time, it was the best what I can I do in that time. Now, I would like to create map(s) for TM Snow, but I am not ale to load yours tps to stations (Lake and Snow) - they are not displayed in my tp library.
ManiaDesign wrote:
21 Jun 2017, 15:37
If your topic is shown on the "new posts" site, where is the problem? I usually check the posts below earlied than the new posts, your pov.
The mayority will just see the newest topic in section because nobody reads every single post every day.
ManiaDesign wrote:
21 Jun 2017, 15:37
Alright, why do you think you wasted that time? You are working since 3 years now, and the result is insane. You got many downloads and view on your forum topic. Why don't keep it up?
I meant by the word 'wasted' that the years are wasted because you recreate my project in better quallity and mine one will be forgotten by community.
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Re: TrackMania One - A new challenge

Post by ManiaDesign » 21 Jun 2017, 16:36

adamkooo2 wrote:
21 Jun 2017, 16:24
ManiaDesign wrote:
21 Jun 2017, 15:37
Make a new titlepack including snow together. I deleted the skype-chat, so i can't search the messages again, but it was like this. So well, I started with snow and I even showed you the first objects (a video I sent you) But you didn't help making it, so I kept the development for myself.
I have sent you my whole folder of my items including fbx, xml and textures and my snow mod. I know the items were horrible in that time, it was the best what I can I do in that time. Now, I would like to create map(s) for TM Snow, but I am not ale to load yours tps to stations (Like and Snow) - they are not displayed in my tp library.
ManiaDesign wrote:
21 Jun 2017, 15:37
If your topic is shown on the "new posts" site, where is the problem? I usually check the posts below earlied than the new posts, your pov.
The mayority will just see the newest topic in section because nobody reads every single post every day.
ManiaDesign wrote:
21 Jun 2017, 15:37
Alright, why do you think you wasted that time? You are working since 3 years now, and the result is insane. You got many downloads and view on your forum topic. Why don't keep it up?
I meant by the word 'wasted' that the years are wasted because you recreate my project in better quallity and mine one will be forgotten.
Possible that you sent me that stuff, i don't remember clearly tbh. At all I still created the items to this time. Nevermind, I discontinued this version and the current snow-version has no sign of you. I can't fix this bug, seems to be on maniaplanet in the end.

Well, I am done with this topic-list-topic, srsly...

So when it's better in your opinion, why is it a problem then? Then I think it could represent the original envis more...
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Re: TrackMania One - A new challenge

Post by wraith » 23 Jun 2017, 14:43

stunning work 9/10 it be :1010 when Coast comes
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Re: TrackMania One - A new challenge

Post by ManiaDesign » 23 Jun 2017, 16:58

Heheh ty :D
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Re: TrackMania One - A new challenge

Post by TheBigMiike » 23 Jun 2017, 17:14

adamkooo2 wrote:
21 Jun 2017, 15:16
Thank you for copying my idea :/
There could be nothing wrong with that, but I have wasted almost 3 years of development of TM2UF and if I would know that someone would do it too I wouldn't do it.
I understand your feelings. The feeling of having lost a lot of time in a project or the feeling of ingratitude from someone you helped in any way :?
At the same time, Florenzius can't stop his project simply because the concept is the same but I guess you know that :)
adamkooo2 wrote:
21 Jun 2017, 15:16
BTW: Relasing a post 1 hour later than I did is good strategy. Only you will have views in your's post and mine will not be seen.
Also happened to me in another forum :lol: unfair tactics but we can't do anything :/ (Delete and repost maybe ? :D )

If you're good at scripting or photoshop, you can maybe help florenzius by creating menus, animations, ...
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Re: TrackMania One - A new challenge

Post by ManiaDesign » 23 Jun 2017, 18:22

TheBigMiike wrote:
23 Jun 2017, 17:14
adamkooo2 wrote:
21 Jun 2017, 15:16
Thank you for copying my idea :/
There could be nothing wrong with that, but I have wasted almost 3 years of development of TM2UF and if I would know that someone would do it too I wouldn't do it.
I understand your feelings. It's rude to see 3 years of development thrown away and having no gratitude from someone you helped in any way :?
At the same time, Florenzius can't stop his project simply because the concept is the same but I guess you know that :)
adamkooo2 wrote:
21 Jun 2017, 15:16
BTW: Relasing a post 1 hour later than I did is good strategy. Only you will have views in your's post and mine will not be seen.
Also happened to me in another forum :lol: unfair tactics but we can't do anything :/ (Delete and repost maybe ? :D )

If you're good at scripting or photoshop, you can maybe help florenzius by creating menus, animations, ...
His work is not thrown away or something like this. There may be players which play my titlepack or which play his one. It has nothing to do with gratitude. I mean, I have no problems with similar titlepacks at one time and if I got an idea, I will realise it with all my tools, you shouldn't stop your creativity. This "tactic" is no "tactic", I was just going to prepare stuff for this post (wallpapers, etc) some days before the posting and in this week I was going to post it in any way and I am not looking, which other post is before/behind me then, i just don't care about that as every post gets some (more) viewers.

I am open for any help, but I am glad guerro is on my side for scripting big things (well, everything is big for me xD)

Let's stop this discussion now, as my holidays/summer break started
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Re: TrackMania One - A new challenge

Post by TheBigMiike » 24 Jun 2017, 01:19

Apparently, I modified by accident the beginning of the sentence (underlined), my sentence doesn't have the intended meaning, it looks like I'm saying that he really throw 3 years of dev but that's not what I wanted to say. I edited the message ;)
TheBigMiike wrote:
23 Jun 2017, 17:14
I understand your feelings. It's rude to see 3 years of development thrown away and having no gratitude from someone you helped in any way :?
At the same time, Florenzius can't stop his project simply because the concept is the same but I guess you know that :)
I just understand what he feels. You can maybe understand that it's not pleasant to work 3 years on a project and finally someone will do better at the end. But that's life, I don't reproach anything from your side. This was just an answer due to the adamkoo's "BTW 2" and the feelings he expressed in his post. But if adamkoo really helped in any way, you should have put his name in credits.
ManiaDesign wrote:
23 Jun 2017, 18:22
This "tactic" is no "tactic", I was just going to prepare stuff for this post (wallpapers, etc) some days before the posting and in this week I was going to post it in any way and I am not looking, which other post is before/behind me then, i just don't care about that as every post gets some (more) viewers.
Once again, I don't reproach anything. I just said this kind of tactic happened to me in the past from self-centered person.

BTW : Good job ! :thumbsup: Can't wait to see Speed.
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Re: TrackMania One - A new challenge

Post by ManiaDesign » 24 Jun 2017, 08:54

Alright, thanks for the clarification, I am happy to see the general hype :D

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