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Re: Cheater in Official Mode

Post by dimitrian2 » 16 Nov 2013, 13:41

my records are going to recover at all or they only know how to remove them without understanding?
A02 and A09
why do I have to re-take the road A09?

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Re: Cheater in Official Mode

Post by dimitrian2 » 17 Nov 2013, 08:09

in a forum in Russian proved that turn on the highway A02 is possible. a maximum of 20 milliseconds need to keep the brakes so that skidding was not on the 30 millisecond already carried away. and I'm just as well push the button for at least 10 milliseconds. Velocity sensitive keys on the keyboard is exactly the same can test yourself at home? on the gamepad do not know whether it is possible to push a rate of 10-20 milliseconds. the keyboard can be 100%

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Re: Cheater in Official Mode

Post by dimitrian2 » 17 Nov 2013, 08:23

and where is the cheat?

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Re: Cheater in Official Mode

Post by edk » 19 Nov 2013, 00:27

Well, let's put this in perspective. What you're suggesting is that you push a key for what amounts to 1-2 frames maximum when running at 100 frames per second. This is 1/100th to 2/100th of a second maximum.

To be quite frank, I'm not sure that's even possible with any standard keyboad. Keyboards are made of plastic with a rubber membrane. I don't know that these parts are physically possible of that level of fineness. Perhaps if you were to have come out and say you had some badass mechanical keyboard with cherry mx switches that you've used for years, then it may be more likely, as these parts are not made of cheap rubber and plastic, they keys being far more capable of a higher level of sensitivity. But to this point you have not, and when accused of something like this, one would think you would be more than upfront about something so obvious.

The next odd thing, atleast I find odd, is that you know the exact duration of keypress needed (given it's not an outright cheat). This lends favor towards the idea that you have tested and created some macro to limit the duration of keypress to it's minimum. And this would be pretty much needed if you were using a standard keyboard.

Likewise, calling everyone else noobs (in your other Russian thread) is not helping you when what you are doing is obviously going to be questioned. I mean, you can't honestly expect people to not question what the heck is going on when viewing your replays.

It would be nice to have a link to the replays that Riolu is saying do not validate as well.

To summarize, best case scenario that it's not an outright hack, is that you're using a macro to limit the brake duration to it's minimum.

Atleast I'm pretty sure this is what most reasonable people are going to think. I'd also like to hear Nadeo's input on what's going on.

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Re: Cheater in Official Mode

Post by dimitrian2 » 19 Nov 2013, 10:15

Edk
Download the program to test the speed of keystrokes! I checked on the Russian forum I came out here are the results. (is 10-30 ms)
0.010
0.030
0.020
0.010
0.020
0.010
0.010
0.010
0.020
0.030
0.020
0.020
0.010
And other people, too, checked it the same results if you want to shake myself to make sure the program and verify the results of the gamepad and keyboard
first check their own results then write here and do not say what you do not know

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Re: Cheater in Official Mode

Post by tcq » 19 Nov 2013, 11:25

dimitrian2 wrote:Download the program to test the speed of keystrokes!
Would be nice if you could provide a link to the program.

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Re: Cheater in Official Mode

Post by dimitrian2 » 19 Nov 2013, 13:23

tcq wrote:
dimitrian2 wrote:Download the program to test the speed of keystrokes!
Would be nice if you could provide a link to the program.
for example TypingStatistics v1.43
my results in milliseconds
15.350 (0.015)
14.773
23.725
25.427
20.616
18.045
25.291
19.010
14.758
17.326
Checked in the game even at 27 milliseconds is not drifted. Probably a maximum of 30 milliseconds. 35 milliseconds, the car drifted me

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Re: Cheater in Official Mode

Post by edk » 19 Nov 2013, 23:36

My average test times on my old, cheap keyboard are .03-.05. But actually putting some effort into it I can get as low as .007. I was also able to duplicate A07, as well as get multiple brakes on a single turn without drift. I didn't test A09 because there's no way I'm going to drive through dirt with a keyboard. It's roughly the same speed as A07 so I don't see why that's not perfectly doable as well.

A02, I can't get more than a single brake in without drift, but I can get one in without drift. The technique seems to work, unless I'm still missing something as I'm not a pro keyboard driver by any stretch of the imagination.

I cannot do this on my gamepad, although it is in need of replacement.

Anyone else have similar results?

And whats up with the times that Riolu is saying don't validate? I don't have access to dedimania records.

Is it time to issue an apology to Cordanis? I mean, even Nadeo deleted his official runs. In all fairness, I can't imagine anyone watching these replays for the first time would have a different reaction.

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Re: Cheater in Official Mode

Post by osaka-san » 26 Nov 2013, 12:31

Yeah, ONE keystroke is about .01 of a second. Sequential keystrokes can't be separated by so little, just for the simple fact that you don't move your hand as fast up and down. Else, 100wpm would be a dumb slow typing speed, you know.

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Re: Cheater in Official Mode

Post by riolu » 26 Nov 2013, 17:30

edk wrote:I was also able to duplicate A07, as well as get multiple brakes on a single turn without drift.

A02, I can't get more than a single brake in without drift, but I can get one in without drift. The technique seems to work, unless I'm still missing something as I'm not a pro keyboard driver by any stretch of the imagination.
Same here, I was even able to beat his .45 official time on A07 with one small braking in the tunnel. I tried A02 for quite a long of time and I couldn't do more than 2 brakings without sliding.
edk wrote: And whats up with the times that Riolu is saying don't validate? I don't have access to dedimania records.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/588 ... Replay.Gbx
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/588 ... Replay.Gbx
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/588 ... Replay.Gbx
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/588 ... Replay.Gbx

Have a look at all these replays (most of them are random maps, one of them is on A02 I believe). Try to validate them in the game and you will see an error message pop up.

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