Siege 90k

[Vrba]

So buy your own server and make it's own rules I guess.

[plopp]

So buy your own server and make it's own rules I guess.

Will have to make my own game unfortunately since Nadeo decides what they want to do with the ladder.

[kripkee]

it's relative useless to debate about the laddersystem or the rules of a 90k server for siege. This system never show the real skill or whatever in Shootmania/Trackmania or the titles itself, it's more a bonussystem to motivate players to gain a rank and make unknown kids happy who see these guys somewhere with their high rank. You have to see this with more dynamic. You can group this (rank 1-50) and say these guys have a higher level than others but maybe someone with rank 21 is unbelievable bad and play like someone with rank ~1000.
If you want more competitive, I suggest we need someone who host an own tournamentsystem for shootmania (joust/elite/scard/...). Modes like siege will be harder to calculate it, because it's more a teammode, but it would be interest to see, who is the best team in Siege in 5Vs5 in whatever rules (Laser Vs Rocket / normal settings (have no clue about this^^)).

100K should be indeed "special" and the playernumbers for each server should be somewhere with ~10 (5 vs 5). But these are still future things and who knows, maybe nadeo change something in the ladder for Shootmania with Maniaplanet "4" (but I don't believe on it^^)

I think, that these kinds of rules have for special titles in Shootmania a low priortiy at the moment.

[UNFAiiR]

Modes like siege will be harder to calculate it, because it's more a teammode

No, it is not harder at all. If it works in teambased games like CS or LoL, why can't it work for Siege. The LP System is just straight up bad and should be updated if not completly removed/replaced with a better ranking system.

And please don't come up with your excuse for everything, "we want to have our own system". Other games don't give a fuck if their ranking system is unique or not, they just use the one which is effective and maybe Nadeo should do the same.

[weerwolf]

So buy your own server and make it's own rules I guess.

Making a ladder servers is knowing the rules I guess.
Taunted said, but that's expected of a ladder server owner/creator.
That's why I was so surprised seeing Alinoa's reaction to open the 90K.
For the readers who don't know:
viewtopic.php?f=459&t=15803

Competitive players
0-80000 ladder points
40000 planets deposit
Public
32 players max
No lol map
Modes:
Battle
Siege
Jailbreak
Melee
Instagibs

Pro arena
0-90000
80000 planets deposit
Public
32 players max
No lol map
Modes:
Battle
Siege

Looking at this, part of the subject we could then also extend / take into discussion the definition of a lol map.
Just commenting that lol does not equal fun is easy to say ofcourse, and that opens up a discussion of defenitions on Trackmania too

[Vrba]

Don't you have anything better to do than whining about this?

There's a difference in TM lolmaps and SM lolmaps. And SM lolmaps are more this for example:
http://sm.mania-exchange.com/maps/view/ ... inity-fall
http://sm.mania-exchange.com/maps/view/ ... -jump-away
http://sm.mania-exchange.com/maps/view/ ... umpin-crap

I hope my friend afro isn't offended by this choice, but these maps the more realistic definition of LOL. Not my kinda maps, some like them, but they are the definition of a LOL map, or 5 checkpoints in a 5x5 area for example.

[afro]

I am offended by that.
Duuh.

Actually there is no difference between LOL maps and FUN maps.
That's why we did not upgrade the Paragon Siege Fun server to 90k. Neither maps like "Silly Bumps" or "Jump Away" nor maps like "One Way" or "Corners" are competitive.
If 90k servers needs to be "real siege", then a Fun server should not be 90k.
Obviously a Fun server is more about having fun by spamming nucleus and hitting 100 guys at once than about gaining LP.

Actually, next to the SSM servers, there is also the paragon siege server with the official PL mappack which will be 90 or 100k soon.
If you guys want to compete then you simply shouldn't join fun servers^^

[HYPE]

If you want more competitive, I suggest we need someone who host an own tournamentsystem for shootmania (joust/elite/scard/...). Modes like siege will be harder to calculate it, because it's more a teammode, but it would be interest to see, who is the best team in Siege in 5Vs5 in whatever rules (Laser Vs Rocket / normal settings (have no clue about this^^)).

well there is already a tournamentsystem, it´s called paragon leuage

So buy your own server and make it's own rules I guess.

Making a ladder servers is knowing the rules I guess.
Taunted said, but that's expected of a ladder server owner/creator.
That's why I was so surprised seeing Alinoa's reaction to open the 90K.
For the readers who don't know:
viewtopic.php?f=459&t=15803

Competitive players
0-80000 ladder points
40000 planets deposit
Public
32 players max
No lol map
Modes:
Battle
Siege
Jailbreak
Melee
Instagibs

Pro arena
0-90000
80000 planets deposit
Public
32 players max
No lol map
Modes:
Battle
Siege

well yes, but these rules are for battle and siege as part of the storm titelpack. Since siege is a own titelpack there are no rules for the laddersystem

[weerwolf]

well yes, but these rules are for battle and siege as part of the storm titelpack. Since siege is a own titelpack there are no rules for the laddersystem

Thanks for actually discussion the situation instead of some ... nvm .
U make a interesting point there where Siege was converted to a titlepack. BUT if u want to make a ladderserver in which shootmania title whatsoever on your playerpage u are directed to the Shootmania storm ladderrules**. So that part is clear. The post however does not specifically go onto titlepacks, so a grant this to be a grey area ready for better detailed information #NADEO

** EDIT: Not correct I just see, more info in a few minutes || info below

*** ShootMania Storm*, Royal*, Siege* are actually the only ones where there is a explicit link to the Shootmania storm ladder rules.