Maniaplanet Forum

Guys,

First of I want to talk as a former player and a team manager : Yes, ESL cup mode is better for sure. It is more fair. It's avoid some cooperation between players (that wez all have seen on TM), it improves the advantage of being consistent.

But, as a "journalist", as a shoutcaster I'm not in favor of ESL Cup mode. In fact the Cup mode is hard enough to explain to neophytes who doen't know TrackMania. But ESL cup mode is way harder and we have to keep in mind that we have to keep trackmania as an easy game to understand. the game is easy to understand itself so who would me make those kind of ununderstanding rules?

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Gaby

funny thing is that, if you look at other games, and you don´t know nothing about them, you will understand nothing of what´s going on in a tournament.

so why would you bother to keep an unfair mode just because it´s (maybe) easier to understand? Totally not worth it. And it´s easy to see the finalist on screen, and know that this finalist guy has to win to be the champion, other than that the match goes on, simple.

I hated when I saw the last Canyon CapArena tournament when Klovni was finalist first, and finished 4th, this is bullshit...

Well, we all have to know that some games has to be understood. That's why of the main force of this game. the understandability.

So yeah, I'm against this new cup mode but anyway yes the new one if more fair.

+1 serujio

I think this is a point of underestimating the intelligence of the audience. TrackMania is a very simple game, a bit too simple in my mind, especially for an esport. I think making it a bit more complicated can only benefit it and this is what ESL Cup Mode brings to the table. Simply put It makes it more interesting and I think that's what an esports-audience wants out of it. I also think they want it to be a fair game while still making it exciting which is something I believe should be strived for in any esport or real sport for that matter. That's what competition is all about in my book.

But I also want to point out that it's not like the mode is so complicated that no one can understand it which some people make it seem like. In some ways, I would say it makes alot more logical sense than the normal Cup Mode. And what makes a good caster is the ability to explain the mode, which I don't think is impossible whatsoever.

+1 for sure!

ESL Cupmode is actually made for FAST:

http://www.svenstucki.ch/hp/node/9

There is alot of documentation about it.

Its actually a plugin for Server controllers.

However it can be managed for all current Server controllers if needed. (Just needs to have a rebuilt).

I believe this plugin was made for tmnf/tmuf.

with kind regards,

w1lla

Yeah, I spoke with Sven before I wrote this suggestion and he was completely cool with it.

Made a start for the ManiaPlanet plugin:

https://github.com/w1lla/ESLCupMode

As you can see there are some stuff to do but the basics are there.

Just need to do some stuff like GUI, Callbacks of BeginRound;EndRound.

Will keep you all uptodate.

Cool
Fully functional? Possible also for xaseco?

Its fully functional since now... Just need some testers that want to test it on manialive.

For Xaseco its quite easy to manage but still there might be some slight issues. 1 person testing is not really great to do.

Only thing left still is GUI.

Download:

https://github.com/w1lla/ESLCupMode/tags