Naimisrepus wrote:You don't know because you've never looked for it. And truthfully, neither have I.
Please don't ass-u-me what I do or don't know. You could easily be wrong.
I've played both TMN ESWC extensively, and scanned the entire Dedimania database voraciously. I've never seen or heard of the kind of cheating tools that now exist for TMF, and all of the cheating in Dedimania was done with TMF accounts, not TMN ESWC. So I think I do know what I'm talking about.
Naimisrepus wrote:However I can do a google search and find TMN ESWC torrents, which I will not link or mention any further to avoid wrath from the mods. Which means it had to have been cracked somehow by someone.
Torrents aren't relevant. I was and am talking about hacking the executable to the point that cheat tools can and have been built that give players unfair advantages. That didn't happen in the prime time of TMN ESWC, and I merely contested that the strong protection on that game was a factor in preventing or at least delaying that.
Naimisrepus wrote:And Starforce has been cracked for ages, I'm honestly amazed you seem to be the only one who doesn't know this. It was cracked way back when people were having problems with it bricking their CD/DVD drives.
You're making another assumption. Had you clicked the Wiki link in my previous post, you might have observed that it went precisely to the section where it states that StarForce was broken eventually, just after a very long time. And I read what I linked to.
Naimisrepus wrote:No. In fact, that's nothing like what I said
at all
Please don't put words in my mouth if you don't understand what I am saying.
I think you misunderstood, I didn't put those words in anyone's mouth, they were part of my own black vs. white example.
Naimisrepus wrote:Then you shouldn't be supporting Starforce. Starforce is notorious for completely screwing up the computers of perfectly legitimate customers. For a short time, Starforce DRM was even making DVD and CD drives unusable.
Yeah, I know there was a lot of brouhaha about it, but like most brouhaha on the 'net it seemed to get blown out of proportion after a while too. Anyway, I'm no fan of any particular DRM, StarForce or otherwise, but I'm not against it as much as other people either. As long as it isn't intrusive and doesn't really hurt paying customers, I can understand developers' and publishers' reasons for wanting to protect their business. I
am however supportive of anything that will prevent or at least delay online cheating in TM2, just like with TMN ESWC, as TMF shows what happens if that's missing.
Naimisrepus wrote:Okay, that's fine.
Ok, glad we're still on the same side.
And now I feel we've hijacked this thread long enough.