Trackmania² Valley Released!

[Sheza]

There's no evidence of that. Ubisoft is a rich studio. The user interface of TM2 is lifted off TM Nations / United already so that's some part of the budget already done for free!

Yes of course the UI is the longest part of the development

A lot of new features and improvements of old features has been done too (ManiaScript, Manialinks, Game Engine, MediaTracker, Instant Chat, Titlepack system, and I will not give all it will be long).

Ubisoft has money but it's not a reason to "give" the game. Hylis say 2 years ago that each game will be at around 20€, zero surprise on at.

I recall someone official saying TM2 would be "pay and stay" or something. Where all customisations and stuff would be made freely available. He was saying this to ward off claims that Tm2 should be Free 2 Play.

It's the case, each environment is an independant game and when you pay, you haven't to pay more for this environment and you have all updates "for free".

Yeah, okay, the user interface is not a long part of the development but not a lot was added to TM2. Whenever I go on a server for example the interface is almost exactly the same as the free game TM Nations! Most of these new features you talk of are very difficult to use. You know what people do with games that are poorly designed like that? They don't buy them.

I don't recall this CEO man saying each environment would be 20 euros. What myself and many others took from his statement of 'free to stay' is that we would receive skin packs at a later date. When TM2 was originally announced, notice how there was no mention of Canyon? When Canyon was announced I thought to myself, okay so there's been a delay in development, they're having to launch the other environments later. But instead we have gloss added to TM Nations = TM2 Stadium and a few skins and handling changes = TM2 Valley.

All 'updates' for free? I thought, back when TM2 was announced, the environmental updates are what he was talking about! Turns out you only mean bug fixes I.E. stuff that should not be in the game in the first place, if it were made correctly! Don't you see? Including 'free updates' for stuff like bug fixes are a given in any modern game. Hardly worth calling out in an interview that TM2 is a "pay to stay" game!

When TM2 was initially announced I thought to myself "Great, a decently priced racing game for PCs from the creators of a really popular free racing game that I play a lot". How wrong I was!

[H0uly]

Loooool so many people complaining Valley is awesme and stfu.. don't belive me? BUY IT!! not my problem if u are incapable of driving some technicaly made maps The problem is,that valley requires a little bit more of skill than any other TM before.. (except island.. that was.. khm..) Soo yeahh Stop complaining and train some more

As for the graphich... i have fujitsu siemens celsius h250,and the game runs on maximum setting not bad for old computer :p no lag at all

Soo guys buy it,play it but most of all.. enjoy it have some fun with editor it's realy awesome... wide block selection and stuff then there is always mediatracker to mess with Drive some official times on solo maps.. try to unlock black haha that's the most f**** up thing ever nadeo did it well on this maps :p Considering myself pro driver,i'm only at e3 o.o hard :p

Soo yeahh guys Shut up and play TM

(hylis plzz dont moderate anything )

Houly

[Hylis]

I don't recall this CEO man saying each environment would be 20 euros.

Second day of this forum (15 jun 2010)

Environment production cost around 8 times more today than on Original. It is not an excuse since we try to bring even more players in, but it is just to give you an idea. Meanwhile, the price may go from obligatory 45€ for three environments to 3xoptionnal 20€.

And it never changed since then and has been repeated a lot. I think the confusion comes from 'a game'. For us, a game is Trackmania² Canyon or Trackmania² Valley. It is not Trackmania². The games are Original/Sunrise & United, not Trackmania.

Original + Sunrise + United costed 120€, while we are at 50€ so far for Canyon + Stadium + Valley. It would take more than the double to reach the same historical price of "Trackmania 1". One good difference with the first model, is that your former game does not become obsolete. What if you had Original & Sunrise when United was released? Now, if you have Canyon, it is still updated with the system, and the players who want to play on this environment can play with you (which was different with Sunrise & United for example, released at 18 months of difference)

[Hylis]

It is really primary thinking if you look at United as the first TM ever, you know it.

If you wished to have all TM1, it was 130€ (45+45+40 in fact) With TM2, it is 50€. It is useless to make it more complicated. And if you bought only United, it means that you have waited for 90€ of TM1 before, without buying them. Do that with TM2, and we will see "when" you will play TM².

What I know, is that someone can buy and play Valley, with all TM² / Maniaplanet features for 20€. Easy.

I don't think I will convince people that are here with the feeling they are paying too much. They have this feeling, I can understand, and can't deny them having this feeling. But I believe that it is more because it is a new model than anything else. But we made this model to be efficient, logic and versatile for players. Canyon is not obsolete, while Sunrise was when United was released the year after.

Then United came out and I thought giving it a try now so should I be able to play United with a Sunrise key?
Or do I need to buy that game although I technically own half of it already, I wouldn't mind if the other half would just be disabled.

you know, there is always the desire to pay less or to have more, it is logical. But we have worked much more on TM2 than on TM1, and the total price with a TM1 player was 130€ vs 50€ for a TM2 is 50€ so far. As clear as that. Someone that bought United in promotion in Germany at 10€ last year can be compared at the first release of TM2, but you know that it is not a clear demonstration that TM1 was cheaper than TM2.

[Whitestar]

All this talk about prices...

For the many many hours of pure fun these games have given me, it's a steal. Plain and simple!

In Norway this game costs three beers. I'll say that again: three beers!!
That's like three hours on the pub.

Enough said...

[kangroo]

people that are here with the feeling they are paying too much.

Oh dear. This game's great, and 20 euros is nothing. As simple as that.

On an unrelated note, I think Trackmania is not just great, it's one game of a kind among all those other AAA racing games that look and feel just like one another

[Whitestar]

Ok, look at the number of hours you put into it then. A new title on Steam is about 50€. For say 10-15 hours of playthrough time.
TM games are 100+ hours easily. Either way you look at it that's cheap.