Ban issues: flameZ

[Kala]

Hello,

I wont go too deep into the streaming data (ridiculous to even use this laggy shit) because i dont think somebody can easily correctly analyse this stuff - u can only give your feeling about it and thats it.

I watched the Replays which are available and i dont see anything which made a huge "mhhhmmmm" in my mind.
But to be fair to everyone, im not someone who has big knowledge in this cheating stuff - im still on the knowledge level of CS 1.6 times. Before shootmania i had no clue what a triggerbot even is - i only knew the terms "aimbot" and "wallhack" thats it.

But to not look like a complete fool here, i informed myself about a triggerbot - even watched a video where somebody shows how to program this thing and the idea behind it and how its supposed to work. (colour / pixel detect) and he even explained that it takes some time (even if you program it very good) to make it auto shoot because the triggerbot scans every pixel in a square for the colour he is looking for and then shoots. So as Joader said if the hit is instantly at the very beginning of the model its unlikely a triggerbot (thats a point for analysing a stream).

I mean, i have seen so many people aiming just really wierd - flicking around all the time even i would say aiming normaly would have secured the kill even safer. But it seems that its a trend now - seeing pro gaming streams where these guys make such shots and probably looks quiet "stylish?" so they tend to do it all the time - and sometimes (probably not a surprise) they tend to hit a enemy with this kind of aiming and it looks fucking wierd because its not like they know what they are doing - they just try to hit like that and it happens.

Hey I also do it sometimes - just for fun - see what happens - turning around 180 like in an instant - shoot - and turn around with the same speed again - BAM hit.
Sure and again not a suprise - it looks unhuman - IF YOU TRY TO HIT LIKE THAT YOU WANT IT TO LOOK UNHUMAN.

But back to the topic - IF - this is all the data ESL got - im really sad for you to got banned - Eventho i heared that also ?luxxiz and Sens? got included into this decision and i have very much respect of these two players in terms of skill and in depth knowledge of FPS in general but again - IF - this is all they had for their judgement i really will try to use every possibility to not show myself in a stream or upload any HIT i make because fk i will get banned.


Greetings.

[flameZ]

You clearly didnt understand. Im only saying that ESL admins watched more matches than just these and I felt like forum-readers should know this.[/quote)

true, dfk_7677 watched 2 or 3 matches - without any problems.

And instead of replying to my post by calling me a liar you should explain your ESL guestbook , the screenshot and the fact why your teammates themselves call u a cheater?? No? Or did u forget that part?

I didnt forget cause its totally new to me, that ziieegmund said something like that - he never said something to me in that way. ESL guestbook? I cant see something there

screenshot was created from old FarCry times out of 2006 - 2010, I was playing for team germany this time at ClanBase.

Again... Post ur whining on the ESL-forums. Im not a moderator but this topic can be closed. ESL-admins banned you and so be it.
Go cry a river, man up again and go cheat somewhere else.

CPLAY is done with this issue.

CPLAY doenst seem to be done with that issue, since ur always replying to every post

[Sephis]

All I remember from this guy is that he was scoring 3 attacks on one map against my team when we were praccing against him not long before ESWC. I didn't think too much about it at that time. Just thought he was good. Scoring 3 attacks isn't impossible. It was only a few days after that I heard about those accusations.

Just to put something into perspective: ever heard about blauman ? http://youtu.be/zy9muEG59Fo?t=3m11s I saw this cheater playing on an instagib server and he wasn't even trying to hide the fact that he was using an aimbot. He was hitting 80% rail (snapshot was around 90-100, as always).

What's very interesting is that my whole team had played with flamez, the day after the pracc I mentionned, on the same instagib server. The snapshot was again around 90-100 so you know how easy it is to miss shots, especially the medium to long range ones. Linkin and SoOn, who are 2 of the best aimers out there, were hitting around 40% rail. Flamez, with 35 points, was hitting 82%, which is more than the cheater that I mentionned above.

You can now draw your own conclusions.

[flameZ]

Hi Sephis,

Me and my team played many funwars against each other, and we never had any problem like that, did we?

82% on instagib is nearly not possible (through a whole match)
sometimes around 80% can be reached if playing against not good players, what Im trying to say is, that I cant remember that i ever had 82% or just somwhere around this % in a whole match...
Most of times when Im playing (and im not playing instagib very much) I reach around 30 - 40%

I've played 1 time with Joadstah, I had 56% ~ there, and that was already really hard to get!

[Kala]

Hi Sephis,

Me and my team played many funwars against each other, and we never had any problem like that, did we?

82% on instagib is nearly not possible (through a whole match)
sometimes around 80% can be reached if playing against not good players, what Im trying to say is, that I cant remember that i ever had 82% or just somwhere around this % in a whole match...
Most of times when Im playing (and im not playing instagib very much) I reach around 30 - 40%

I've played 1 time with Joadstah, I had 56% ~ there, and that was already really hard to get!

I never really played instagib (my laser aim is way to bad to have fun on such servers), but having a hit streak of i dont know 10 - 12 hits is surely possible and if the game is ending close after your hit streak (from the perspective that you joined the game - had the streak and the match ended shortly after) so in such a situation it can result in an accuracy of 82% or?.

Just my thoughts.

[flameZ]

Hi Sephis,

Me and my team played many funwars against each other, and we never had any problem like that, did we?

82% on instagib is nearly not possible (through a whole match)
sometimes around 80% can be reached if playing against not good players, what Im trying to say is, that I cant remember that i ever had 82% or just somwhere around this % in a whole match...
Most of times when Im playing (and im not playing instagib very much) I reach around 30 - 40%

I've played 1 time with Joadstah, I had 56% ~ there, and that was already really hard to get!

I never really played instagib (my laser aim is way to bad to have fun on such servers), but, Sephis said "35 Points" which is as far as i remember not even close to match end or?
And i mean - having a hit streak of i dont know 10 - 12 hits is surely possible and if the game is ending close after your hit streak (from the perspective that you joined the game - had the streak and the match ended shortly after) so in such a situation it can result in an accuracy of 82% or?.

Just my thoughts.

Of course it is possible, like you said, just not through the whole game after 50 points. If someone is playing a map till the end with 50 points, with normal skilled players, and then reach 82% accuracy - thats really nearly impossible!

[sadzealot]

Just wanted to weigh in on the whole topic:

I had never heard about you. That is, untill several other people started talking about you and possible cheats. And we're not talking about a few sore losers here, we're talking about the majority of the competitive scene it seems like. Ofcourse normally the majority is wrong and down right stupid, but this is a rather small community. With lots of really good players. Experienced players. That alone warrants a closer look and as stated above, I don't believe the only proof used was what you submitted in this OP.

However, my big gripe with you is your attitude. The cocky "fuckyou"-attitude in showing off hackusations like a proud badge for instance. I spent years as an admin on one of the most popular public CS:S-servers in the UK, and you notice a certain common behaviour & attitude in those you catch hacking.

And typical was how people approached getting banned. The ones who were innocent often didn't understand why they got banned and calmly came on the forums and made a sinlge thread asking why and if this could've been an error.

The ones who were guilty usually did one of two things: They knew they've been caught and didn't even bother. Or... They came on the forum making a bif fuzz about how they were innocent, demanding to be unbanned and thinking the entire ordeal was laughable and that it was such a shit server/community if we just banned people for no reason.

The funny thing is that you seem to be doing exact that. And the fact you even make a thread on Maniaplanet forums about being banned from ESL? If you're not seeking attention, what ARE you doing?

[Sephis]

sometimes around 80% can be reached if playing against not good players, what Im trying to say is, that I cant remember that i ever had 82% or just somwhere around this % in a whole match...
Most of times when Im playing (and im not playing instagib very much) I reach around 30 - 40%

I've played 1 time with Joadstah, I had 56% ~ there, and that was already really hard to get!

Oh I remember very well. Dawnville was played. You had 35 points when I mentionned your accuracy in the chat and from that point it dropped to 60% until the end of the game.

35 points - 82% accuracy. Not 5 points. Not 10 points. 35. And it's not like all the players on the server were noobs who were just jumping around, otherwise my teammates and I would have hit more than "only" 40%. That alone was really fishy.

On top of that, there are all those other cheat accusations that don't come only from shootmania players (according to the screenshot).
If luxxiz and Sens think you cheat, that just confirms what I thought.


Kala: an instagib match ends at 50 points and he didn't score any crazy 20+ points streak (I would've remembered). The fact is that he was hitting more than an aimbot user after the two thirds of the game. With a snapshot that high (making everything more random), there's no way a clean player can do it.

[flameZ]

Just wanted to weigh in on the whole topic:

I had never heard about you. That is, untill several other people started talking about you and possible cheats. And we're not talking about a few sore losers here, we're talking about the majority of the competitive scene it seems like. Ofcourse normally the majority is wrong and down right stupid, but this is a rather small community. With lots of really good players. Experienced players. That alone warrants a closer look and as stated above, I don't believe the only proof used was what you submitted in this OP.

However, my big gripe with you is your attitude. The cocky "fuckyou"-attitude in showing off hackusations like a proud badge for instance. I spent years as an admin on one of the most popular public CS:S-servers in the UK, and you notice a certain common behaviour & attitude in those you catch hacking.

And typical was how people approached getting banned. The ones who were innocent often didn't understand why they got banned and calmly came on the forums and made a sinlge thread asking why and if this could've been an error.

The ones who were guilty usually did one of two things: They knew they've been caught and didn't even bother. Or... They came on the forum making a bif fuzz about how they were innocent, demanding to be unbanned and thinking the entire ordeal was laughable and that it was such a shit server/community if we just banned people for no reason.

The funny thing is that you seem to be doing exact that. And the fact you even make a thread on Maniaplanet forums about being banned from ESL? If you're not seeking attention, what ARE you doing?

If u read my first post, you would have understand!
I want to clear things up, because on every funwar, cup match and so on, people were asking:
"what happened to your ESL acc , did u really cheat bla bla"

"please unban me" did I mention that somewhere in this forum? I dont think so. I'm not here to "cry", as some random guy from CPLAY said.

[sheano]

In my opinion i'm really happy that ESL made that decission and banned you flameZ.
For me the weird thing is, that you werent really good like 2,5 months ago but then you joined Druckwelle and you've got that insane skillboost over night. Since that time you make those weird/inhuman shots and that was the first time i thought that you aren't clean at all. ofc SM became more easier and random but that doesn't explain your "omgwtf" skillboost. But its still hilarious how you win every att round you need (especially if you only have 1 life left ).
tbh i dont care whats gonna happen with you now, but i still hope that ESL won't unban you and also that there will be finally a rly good anti-cheat tool in SM.