Valley Suggestions

[Alter-Fox]

I don't think I explained myself well enough.
To me, having to buy an extra controller to do well (and to be clear I have several good reasons not to buy one) is no better than having to pay real money for special gamebreaking weapons, or for a faster car (in the game world).
To me the difference is only who gets the money.

I think it should be possible and realistic to do as well with a keyboard as you could with a pad, even if it maybe takes a little more work. And let me repeat, the keyword here is realistic. Not elitist.

[Demented]

There are actually several reasons I don't like to use the keyboard for driving but the biggest is that for driving there is no way with a keyboard you can hold steering at any given angle while taking a corner. The best you can do it tap the keys to maintain a wide turn. With a controller you have an analog stick that you can hold in any position you want. No matter how you program car controls you can't get that accuracy from a keyboard with quick response. I don't think it is really a mater of trying to get more money out of people. For me, buying a controller is just as much a part of buying a computer as buying a mouse or hard drive or speakers. You don't have to use those things either but they make things a lot nicer. Buying a controller for a PC is optional because not everyone uses computers for gaming. I'm into gaming and driving games so, for me, a controller is a must.

[rat_in_car]

And I want to add - gamepad is not "elitist", is normal device for play games! Keyboard is keyboard, nothing more you can do with digital on/off. The only you can do for made kb similar to gamepad, is worsen the gamepad control, made gamepad responses slower. So - is that fair? No, it's not.

I don't understand why people always must be so stubborn. I refuse to buy gamepad, but I still want to have equal possibilities! I refuse to dress warmly, but I don't want to freeze at -25c temperature. I want to eat best meal in my life but want to pay one euro for that. I want to play in new games on my PC 386DX2 so everyone should made games for DOS!

If you don't like analog steering, unplug mouse and use keyboard for move pointer (it's possible). Then write to Microsoft to slow down all users who buy mouse, because is not fair that they are faster than you.

[luftisbollentm2]

hehe
1 you must have a keyb that support 3 buttons at once and mine isnt, so i cant try it in a fair level,
but i like drive with keyb, but i cant try it at the moment. (i tmu with mouse but hard to keep the mouse in center to go straigh or else that woul be awesome if nadeo supported mouse that would be the ultimat steer device ^^
2. keybord is equal to 100 % right or left
3 gamepad = 1 - 100 right or left.

conclusion
keyb is better for 100 accuracy and with gamepad its a matter of pace and tempo to so figurly speaking its a little harder. If you steer to right at the exact same spot, your car goes in the same line, but with gamepad you need 3 timings, timing pace and tempo or it wont do the same

and one last thing what about analog gas ? that is useless it dont work its always 100 % or 0 % ?
or am i wrong.

[Demented]

I think everyone has some good points.
I don't see though how 100% is better than choosing anything between 1% and 100%. If you want 100% on every turn you just push the stick all the way left or right. If you want to turn the wheel 20% on a wide turn though you just hold the stick at 20% or start at 10% and end at 80%. Maybe there is something I'm not seeing that you guys are talking about and I am trying to listen openly but I never thought there was any question that analog was better.

As far as the gas goes:
You can, with a dual analog controller, control throttle with the right analog stick but I find that a bit quirky. Some people prefer a steering wheel with pedals too but I always pull them off what ever they are mounted to.

The other thing I like with a controller is that you don't have to sit right in front of you keyboard. you can kick back wherever you want to.

[rat_in_car]

In almost all environments on United, except Stadium, gamepad is better, because keyboard gives you almost instant turn left/right which is much faster than on Sadium or Canyon. For example - on Island environment there are slides too, but not only that forced by player, but also natural ones - if you drive very fast and turn left/right very fast (in keyboard that happens all the time), your car start slide and that slide is not that nice like in Canyon. Slides in island slows you down much more. So, analog gives you possibility to steering softly to prevent slide what is called "noslide" by players. In most cases, on hard maps without enough turbos after curves, people with gamepad has better possibility to prevent slides so their cars drive faster after curve. That noslide technique gives mapmakers new possibilities to create really good (and in most cases hard) maps that required noslide for finish with good time (or finish at all). Then, as I remember, many players complains that map is not "keyboard friendly", as if it was the mapmaker fault that they have no gamepad.

Keyboard is mostly not player's choice (because someone who want to play better, will use better controller) but player's laziness (gamepad requires learning and some of players don't want to spend few days to learn how to use new controller - the same as they don't want to learn how to pass "loop of death" - they don't want to play on these maps instead, it's much easier).

There always be players who don't want to change anything and if someone want to improve something, they'll do everything to prevent that. Many players loves LOL maps that needs no practise for finish. Is that reason that we should accept that and play only LOL maps? No, because games should be designed for best players and rest should have possibilities to win with them but not without training! As in music business - even if most of people has low quality stereo amplifiers and not so good speakers, nobody mastering music for listening on that equipment. Music was mastering for sounds as best as possible on high-end hi-fi stereo, not for walkmans.

[luftisbollentm2]

As far as the gas goes:
You can, with a dual analog controller, control throttle with the right analog stick but I find that a bit quirky. Some people prefer a steering wheel with pedals too but I always pull them off what ever they are mounted to.

noo dont work (imean yes it works but not analog), i build a straight road and i gas with kb and then i played with gp and use as low gas as possible on gp but no diffrent its only on and off so that is a fake.
maybe its only works on steering wheel ,but i doubt that
i use 0.001 on analog sensitivity and that wont help.

ofc gp is best.

but as you sad rat_in_car its only practice so either works fine. but i don't like the chop effect on dirt.
but its a challenge to master ofc.....and they wont fix that now its to late for that...

try with mouse its fun just go to youtube and searchs for ppjoy,,,,.

[Omnixor]

gas is not analog in trackmania, just turning.

[Demented]

Sorry about that all. I should have been more clear.
I didn't mean that TM or TM2 supported right analog stick throttle control but rather that most driving games do.
It was a controller vs keyboard in general reply.
Does TM2 support analog control for a wheel and pedals?
I would never use it but it seems that the game should support it.

[tcq]

Does TM2 support analog control for a wheel and pedals?
I would never use it but it seems that the game should support it.

It doesn't support it and this is good because it's an acarde game and not a simulation.