Cheater in Official Mode

[shadi_3205]

Btw he also did the same thing as Cordanis on A02...
We are also going to kick him soon from Neyne,i guess malthex didn't know much about him cheating

[wooloo]

That's a hard knock for me... He was my 2th buddy i dont know from reallife in TM ever.
Got a bad feeling now... But sure i know you doing the right thing. I will remove him instantly.

[riolu]

Cheater on Stadium A12 (Top1, 19.30) and B15 (Top1, 1.03.58) by "SpiineeX".
Delete these times and ban the account, thanks!

These records are still there, additionally there is another cheated record on Stadium C07 by the same guy (Top1, 34.92).

[riolu]

Guess it's time to give up here since apparently noone gives a single shit about fair play in this game. Pretty sad to see what happens.
Above mentioned player keeps uploading ridiculous replays to MX and beats official world record with his third party tools: This time on Valley A07, which is probably the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. Before, he has already set times on tracks, where he tapped the brake for 6-8 times with 340-360 km/h (A02 and C02). Now, he brakes 6 times at a speed of 400+, at a speed where it is humanly impossible to do even 1 brake without drifting.
I don't even know why I keep complaining here as I do not even get a response from anyone, but maybe somewhen in 2018 I do.

[laurens92]

So Nadeo team, how many reports do you still have to get?!
I think it's time to believe the players who are supporting and playing your games for years.

This guy does impossible things, the brake trick on valley is already a difficult thing and only a few players can handle
this trick on a "good" way. But what Cordanis does is just ridiculous, I don't have words for it, but how obvious is it that this weird, unknown guy/kid is a cheater?!

Please remove his records and ban him as a player. It's annoying for players who love the solo mode and putting effort in it.

[shadi_3205]

6 times braking at a speed of 400? ok now this has gone way too far...

[Hylis]

It has been reported much before, I know, I have it. The fact is that either we change the gameplay to avoid this being possible, either we track macro players. My choice is rather to change the gameplay, but making an update that do such thing can not be made quickly since it has many impacts (like on records) And in fact, there is something else I would like to change in the gameplay since I found out an issue on another thing and wish to fix it. So, I look forward an update period of time instead of making complicated things like that in the middle of the big work we are on.

This being said, we may look and ban such cheat before, of course. If Cordanis needs our help to remove some official time, we can do it as well, before we look deeper into his case.

[riolu]

Thanks for the reply, highly appreciated. I wonder if changing the gameplay, 1,5 years after the release, is a good idea though. As you said, even a small change of the brake mechanisms would have a big impact on records, so personally I fear that the whole solo ladder would have to be reset due to this change? That would definitely not be the correct solution imo as it would be beyond frustrating for people who spent a lot of time into setting official times.
Macro players are easily trackable, so maybe it's a better idea to rely on the community reporting these players (like in this case) and decide whether it's legit or not.

And in fact, there is something else I would like to change in the gameplay since I found out an issue on another thing and wish to fix it.

Can you go more into detail here or is it something you can't talk about right now? Getting some feedback from the community before changing actual gameplay might be more helpful than changing the gameplay out of the sudden and receiving a huge shitstorm

[edk]

Thank you for the reply Hylis, means alot when a developer takes the time for these things.

As you said, even a small change of the brake mechanisms would have a big impact on records, so personally I fear that the whole solo ladder would have to be reset due to this change? That would definitely not be the correct solution imo as it would be beyond frustrating for people who spent a lot of time into setting official times.
Macro players are easily trackable, so maybe it's a better idea to rely on the community reporting these players (like in this case) and decide whether it's legit or not.

If the only thing that would be changed is the inability to brake (at less than 0.01s) and not drift, where otherwise a drift is intended, then there will be very minimal impact. The number of affected tracks and replays is sufficiently low enough that something like a full reset would not be necessary. It would not be difficult to put together a list of all the known replays, just a bit tedious. It will be unfortunate, however, for the top few records that made use of this, which does affect you directly. Let's be real here for a minute, you're not going to lose that #1 spot with a patch. After a small matter of time this will only have been a minor setback if anything, with little to no affect on the rankings overall. There is also a limited number of drivers that made use of this in the campaign, or are even able to do it in the first place. So again, not to difficult to clean up.

As players we should take into consideration that this car behavior is not intended, as is evidenced by Hylis's response. The problem is compounded by how easy this is to exploit and how difficult it can be to distinguish between legit and cheated records on certain tracks (such as on A02). It's almost impossible to prove why one is legit and one is not when they look identical, for example on shorter tracks. This didn't really became a bigger problem until a few of the more absurd replays came to light. Case in point, it's taken the developer a full year to move on this issue.

Because of these things I do think that a patch would by far be the best solution. It's also a bit unbecoming to ask for help, then when it's offered lay out stipulations on that help. So, if Nadeo is willing to patch the game, and at the end of the day it's for the better, then I'm for it. I also believe that everyone deserves a second chance, which this offers Cordanis. Not that I would extend my friendship personally, but if all he's doing is using a macro, and a patch would remove that potential by virtue of removing the exploitable mechanic, then I can come to terms with that.

So yeah, to summarize, I think this was a good post by Hylis and agree with it. In the long term it offers the best solution to minimize reports and stops potential exploiters before they start. In the mean time we can report if we see anything more and wait for that Nadeo-Timeâ„¢ to pass.

[Xymph]

Thanks for the reply, highly appreciated. I wonder if changing the gameplay, 1,5 years after the release, is a good idea though. As you said, even a small change of the brake mechanisms would have a big impact on records, so personally I fear that the whole solo ladder would have to be reset due to this change? That would definitely not be the correct solution imo as it would be beyond frustrating for people who spent a lot of time into setting official times.

And also online, if it would affect some or many Dedimania TM2 records (2.6M on Stadium, 1.6M on Canyon, 272K on Valley), and invalidate XX % of the validation/ghost replays stored for them (1.3M files).