[MUST READ] Easy fixes, basics missing & main problems

[UrinStein]

What I am trying to remove, and say that it is useless, is that sort of comments:

The idea/vision behind MP2.0 and some features are just wrong/bad and should be done completely different ( read my first post )!
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example:
Hylis: Developing the title-system takes a lot of time.
Dreammy : titles shouldnt be made in the first place and should be done completely different ( with maybe(?) a giant serverbrowser )

I really don't think it's the best part of your feedbacks..

He's right nonetheless.

The point is, that people are forced to make Title Packs in orer to implement stuff like objects.
But as soon as they do it is like they play on a completely different (mania)planet because the servers of title packs are not shown in any server list. Title packs are worthless as they are now. For me it's a fact.

Now when you tell us, that it takes some time and they will get better, we wonder: "Why have them NOW to begin with?"
You gave us this feature from the beginning, but tell us to wait... more than 2 years before it makes actually sense to use them? It's depressing, noone likes Title Packs (anymore).

I really don't get how that opinion is "useless". It's obvious!
Everyone having been forced to make a Title Pack for a handful of features has the same opinion.


I agree with nova when he says that the Title system is useless and not him stating that fact.
Most of us would have prefered not to have it from the beginning and maybe getting it when it is actually of use.

[djhubertus]

Thanks weerworf, meuh, sadzealot, novationx, streefeen and w1lla.

We are working really hard to make Maniaplanet a success for you as well. We just need all more time, which is kind of logical, compared to 10 years of most popular FPS: CS, Quake, CoD, BF etc. And I don't think we are moving slower than any of them. Look at the feature list of Maniaplanet, even if you should disagree on what you would have like first and how. The secret is that the team of Nadeo is a dream team, even if some people believe it is small. But I doubt any team can easily be bigger. A team is a team, not a company.

And with the addition of player's strengths & style, it could only be a very cool planet

So why Maniaplanet games was released too fast (for me 1 or 2 years earlier) ? I think release state is when the game is stable to play and has most of the planned features. Now we see again a huge changes (MP 3.0) when i think all this new stuff should be on release as MP 2.0.

[Hylis]

You are missing the point as well UrinStein.

If we would have a debate, integrating all the aspects into it, maybe you would have a different understanding and oppinion, but that's an ambitious saying that you would make a better call yourself, even without the knowledge and experience we have. Here, you are mainly judging, and it's not interesting.

It should not prevent you to say what you like/dislike and woud like. But this attitude of judging, instead of sharing, prevents me to discuss the points with you. As simple as that.

djhubertus, games were released as fast as possible, because of players wishing them as soon as possible. Some players are probably to not only already have Maniaplanet, but also be capable to contribute to it's evolution towards next steps. If you don't like it, I am sorry and can read that. Our mistake would then more have been to prevent players like you to come when they want a more static environment. A good way would have been to say that Maniaplanet is beta until we stop working on it, but what would be the role of versions? Of course MP 2 is not as evolved as MP 3, that's the concept of versions. Keep also in mind that it is a 'live' situation, since everything is powered by players, and that it is more difficult to answer players desire and wishes without having them to play for real the games.

[Omnixor]

and again, when someone says one bad word, you instantly refuse to communicate with him Hylis. maybe you're missing the point?

[novationx]

topic in 1 sentence:

You fix things that dont need fixing. The most important things need fixin first and seem to be postponed/ignored.

if someone in the whishlist-thread asks for a 'waterfall' i get mad.... Because of 'post1'

[d.m.f._nl_]

and again, when someone says one bad word, you instantly refuse to communicate with him Hylis. maybe you're missing the point?

Seen the answers from Hylis and others ( also from Nadeo ) it doesnt seem the instantly refuse to comunicate
That the are missing the point ? that could be, thats where these discussions are for, to explain eachother things.

That someone misread or doesnt understand the explanation from Nadeo is somethimes understandable and the other way around also understandable, so dont get mad at eachother, and if your stuck in comunication then maybe somebody else can explain it, so the asking person can understand it.

My understanding of this topic is:
A person makes a ( long ) statement about wat he/she is thinking and Nadeo answers the way the think the give a good explanation, thats it.
So both have a valid reason from their point of vieuw.
And some agree with the one and some to the other, and thats how it always is gonna be, if you like it or not.
And please do the same and dont blame people please, i dont blame you eather

So please work together and not against eachother.
I love you all

[meuh21]

if someone in the whishlist-thread asks for a 'waterfall' i get mad.... Because of 'post1'

I got already an icefall but a waterfall is a brilliant idea

[Hylis]

I am sad to see how you sum up your positon Novationx, since I find it less interesting than your first post.

My answer then: thanks for letting us know so well what you would like. Meanwhile, please avoid to say that we are doing badly, since you don't know the constraints.

[novationx]

I am sad to see how you sum up your positon Novationx, since I find it less interesting than your first post.

My answer then: thanks for letting us know so well what you would like. Meanwhile, please avoid to say that we are doing badly, since you don't know the constraints.

Sad about what? A lot of people agree with me... You urself agreed with me with some points.
There is nothing to be sad about... I said 10x in a post to not feel offended.
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[Omnixor]

since you don't know the constraints.

so we can't criticize you for those constraints you made yourself either?