An open letter to Nadeo regarding the state of TM.

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Re: An open letter to Nadeo regarding the state of TM.

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znik wrote:...The game was after all built with the sole purpose of being a competition game (If I'm not mistaken)...
Not true. Nations was built mainly as a competition game (although I wouldn't say solely), but the only reason Nations was possible at all was the success of the two Trackmania games before it. The original game and TM Sunrise had a lot less of a focus on organized competition.
Of course there are many many many many players here who started on Nations... but Nations wasn't the first Trackmania. And that doesn't make it the first Trackmania.

If you're talking specifically about TM2 Stadium... well, I guess you could make that argument. But if you're talking specifically about Stadium you should say that... :P
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Alter-Fox wrote:
znik wrote:...The game was after all built with the sole purpose of being a competition game (If I'm not mistaken)...
Not true. Nations was built mainly as a competition game (although I wouldn't say solely), but the only reason Nations was possible at all was the success of the two Trackmania games before it. The original game and TM Sunrise had a lot less of a focus on organized competition.
Of course there are many many many many players here who started on Nations... but Nations wasn't the first Trackmania. And that doesn't make it the first Trackmania.

If you're talking specifically about TM2 Stadium... well, I guess you could make that argument. But if you're talking specifically about Stadium you should say that... :P
Considering his entire post was discussing Stadium, it's quite obvious that he was talking about Nations/TM2Stadium. Znik makes good points, and at this stage we can only hope that Nadeo will give us some insight on their future plans for the game, as well as a timeframe for updates and new releases. Without any developer interest, it's hard to see why big gaming organisations would continue to put much effort into organising TrackMania events.
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This is what happens when I don't see a word.
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The idea of TM2 working like CS:GO, which works absolutely amazingly, is good. However, these to games have certain uncommon things which make the idea not to work as excepted. Some might still work tho. Here some comparison:

a) In CS, or in FPS games general, you have a mappack you play. In Trackmania, however, there are hundreds of maps and they're not all competetive. Also, while even Dust II can bring up some interesting strategies, hunting some more ESL Hockolicious wouldn't work.

b) Gun skins, car skins, avatars - these might work. However, teams still need to have their own skins which break the system badly, and also custom skins needed to play some certain map wouldn't work.

c) Amount of players is a big difference. In CS:GO you have already a strong fanbase from Source, 1.6 and other games. In TM the fanbase exists, but it's a way too small to work like CS or TF2.

d) The game needs more players anyway. But we don't need to "get back the stopped players", we need new players. New, fresh players. And we need to keep them, make them fit the existing community. Old players, talk to noobs on servers. Help them. Moreover, it has to be easy enough to players to find the community from Mania-Exchange, Mania-Actu, Maniapark etc.

e) Last but not least, Nadeo is doing good in eSports atm. However, I would make there one change: stadium continuing as main game, but canyon as second. Why? It's a way more exciting to watch than valley or TMUF environments, and that's important in eSport. Canyon also has a lot players who can compete on it. Meanwhile Valley is the environment that work fine in mapping at the moment.

These are ofc just my opinions but I think at least some of them are true as well :)
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Wormii wrote:Old players, talk to noobs on servers. Help them.
Way ahead of you here, at least :P.

You have a good point -- lots of them actually, but I want to talk about this one. Nadeo's developed the games, and although they do have the responsibility to improve them, if the community wants more players there's plenty of things the community can do to get them, too. I like to say "don't complain about something unless you're doing all you can to fix it". If you don't think it's your problem, but you're upset enough to complain about it... I'd say you care enough about it that you should have made it your problem.
That's not to say the community can do everything without some help from the developers. But it can certainly do a lot more to attract players to itself than it's doing now.
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Just now Trackmania doesn't give me nothing that i say i'm going to play TM2 Stadium instead TMUF, there are new blocks, an inprove of graphics and... nothing else... I will play this game when i have something different to the TMUF.

I think that Nadeo has to inprove this way of the game, new gamemodes new things to the TMUF, when it comes out it was the same that the TMUF...

This is the reason that there are a loooot of players more in TMUF than TM2, because, why to buy the same game???
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The only reason why there are more players in TMF is that TMF is there since long time.
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The only reason there are more players in TMF is thet TM has 7 environments linked together in single servers, TM2 has 3 environments with separate servers. Even gamemodes like stunts and platform are spread and not visible from the main title (and 80% users never enter any title except for the main one), which makes those titles secluded.

If Nadeo ported TMF enviros to TM2 (not necessarily improving the graphics and making new blocs like it happened with stadium) and added multi-environment servers I'd delete TMF and burn the CD.
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jjaaperoloco2 wrote:there are new blocks, an inprove of graphics and... nothing else... .
Are u kidding? have u informed urself about what is new in TM2 Stadium or are u just saying things without thinking? There are tons of new things. Simply the possibility of custom objects makes it soooo much more than tm1 can ever be. (watch some RPG TitlePack Youtube videos and u will see...) There are many improvements to the editor (macroblocks, objects, copy-paste, plugins etc) and the mediatracker (also 1/4 sized MT trigger). Also the lightengine is much more realistic (well some like it and some dont^^) We can create our own TitlePacks with custom ladder, own menu and other stuff.

so stop saying there are only the new blocks, a better graphic and nothing else..
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Re: An open letter to Nadeo regarding the state of TM.

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yes yes i forget to say the title packs are a pretty good idea but i was thinking at level of a player, there are new blocks and better graphics (that in much cases it laggs the game)

Yes, i know that there are a lot of bug fixes and inproves of the editors in general but... if you join a server and play you are doing the same as TMUF... Or not?
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