What the?

[eyebo]

I'm all for mods in some scenarios. I think they're great to bring some variety to the game.

But I find it hard to believe anyone could be tired of the incredible look of the original textures already. I've visited (and would love to live in) the part of the USA that Canyon was inspired by. There's a stark beauty to the desert that soothes the soul. The incredible vistas of the southwest inspire the mind. I always feel like I'm on another planet when I visit. There's a lot of browns, reds, tans, and other earthy shades there. But you also get that sprinkling of greens from the cactii or other brush.. plus the wildflowers of the desert such as the prickly pear cactus and its red blossoms. I don't think I'll ever tire of it.

I'm also against the idea of mods for online (except for RPGs). You load up a new map and there's a 120 MB texture mod attached to it. Every player has to download that mod, unless you have locators turned off, which affect signs... so I won't turn that off. Sometimes it doesn't even load until part way through the map. For a one minute map, it hardly seems worth it in my eyes.

But then, I can't deny how nice some of these look.

[GeorgeFeb]

Hey Eyebo I feel you, in California for sure, I will move my ass there asap! =) But Grand Canyon in Colorado! =)

I thought you from USA... =)

Sorry for offtopic!

[eyebo]

Been waiting for this game for two years, severely disappointed, could not agree with the OP more. Yes it's called "Canyon", but who honestly bought this thinking they were getting 1/3 of a game? It's a shame that the OP has apparently offended many of you, but many of your responses are daft.

There's as much content in this game as there was in the free Trackmania Nations Forever and as someone who's bought and loved every Trackmania game since the first one, I can honestly say that this is a massive disappointment, and I regret buying it. I'll not buy a Nadeo game on nothing but good faith again, that's for sure!

An informed buyer is one not easily disappointed. This is why we read reviews, watch trailers, and read feedback from other users so we know what to expect. I think it's something we should do with all purchase decisions in life, not just games. It's too bad you were disappointed. Perhaps expectations varied from the realization of what the game actually was?

My advice. Forget what you were expecting and try the game again as if it was something new to discover. Discover how every little thing works, how you can drift the corners, how you can use the myriad of creative options in the game. The game is by and far worth every penny you spent, you just have to reach out and take advantage of it.

[ATOJAR]

Been waiting for this game for two years, severely disappointed, could not agree with the OP more. Yes it's called "Canyon", but who honestly bought this thinking they were getting 1/3 of a game? It's a shame that the OP has apparently offended many of you, but many of your responses are daft.

There's as much content in this game as there was in the free Trackmania Nations Forever and as someone who's bought and loved every Trackmania game since the first one, I can honestly say that this is a massive disappointment, and I regret buying it. I'll not buy a Nadeo game on nothing but good faith again, that's for sure!

Finally somebody here agrees with me and im not getting roasted for my opinion lol.

Look don't get me wrong, I like the game alot ... Ive played it every night from beta(just turned the game off 5 mins ago in fact)with mates on teamspeak2 who love it too, The graphics are awesome and the cars handle great ... Its a load of fun! And in my opinion a massive improvement on the last in every way apart from content!

Its rapidly growing on me.

[eyebo]

Hey Eyebo I feel you, in California for sure, I will move my ass there asap! =) But Grand Canyon in Colorado! =)

I thought you from USA... =)

Sorry for offtopic!

I'm from Kansas, the heartland. It's a lot of farms here. Beautiful in its own way. Maybe the next environment can be "Trackmania² Farming".

To me, Canyon looks a lot like southern Utah/northern Arizona.. but maybe also the extreme western portion of Colorado, out by Colorado National Monument. But there's also a feeling of New Mexico in some parts, especially the top desert roads (not the ones in the canyons). And of course there are parts of southeast California that favor the look of Canyon as well. It's a great mix of different areas of the southwest. Night maps with the brilliantly lit skymap full of stars also perfectly represents how great the night sky looks in the southwest USA, where there is little to no cities and the night sky is virtually packed from corner to corner with the most beautiful blanket of stars, nebulae, and galaxies. It's truly something to behold.

[Rokka]

Been waiting for this game for two years, severely disappointed, could not agree with the OP more. Yes it's called "Canyon", but who honestly bought this thinking they were getting 1/3 of a game? It's a shame that the OP has apparently offended many of you, but many of your responses are daft.

There's as much content in this game as there was in the free Trackmania Nations Forever and as someone who's bought and loved every Trackmania game since the first one, I can honestly say that this is a massive disappointment, and I regret buying it. I'll not buy a Nadeo game on nothing but good faith again, that's for sure!

An informed buyer is one not easily disappointed. This is why we read reviews, watch trailers, and read feedback from other users so we know what to expect. I think it's something we should do with all purchase decisions in life, not just games. It's too bad you were disappointed. Perhaps expectations varied from the realization of what the game actually was?

My advice. Forget what you were expecting and try the game again as if it was something new to discover. Discover how every little thing works, how you can drift the corners, how you can use the myriad of creative options in the game. The game is by and far worth every penny you spent, you just have to reach out and take advantage of it.

This is known formally as "the straw man fallacy". I had been following this game pretty closely actually, your pretentious comments really aren't appreciated. Nowhere had I seen "this game will ship with roughly 1/7 the content of our previous game".

£20 for this amount of game content is highway robbery.

[GeorgeFeb]

Ha indeed, yep you are comprehensive about Canyon! =)

So my thoughts were right about you, coz your English you know like, hmm aborigine! =)))

[Snakejuice]

£20 for this amount of game content is highway robbery.

Damnit, wanna go to bed, it's over 2 AM here, but..

[GeorgeFeb]

£20 for this amount of game content is highway robbery.

Damnit, wanna go to bed, it's over 2 AM here, but..

4:30 AM here, but you are damn right! =)

People don't be such a greedy complainers!

[eyebo]

This is known formally as "the straw man fallacy". I had been following this game pretty closely actually, your pretentious comments really aren't appreciated. Nowhere had I seen "this game will ship with roughly 1/7 the content of our previous game".

£20 for this amount of game content is highway robbery.

My apologies. I meant no disrespect. And I'm certainly not intending to be pretentious. I apologize if any of my comments were interpreted as such. And I'm also sorry if I misrepresented any of your comments. I'm certainly not seeking to impress anyone. I'm only here to inform of my own findings with Canyon and my knowledge from reading thousands of posts here on the forums, many of which have been from the developers themselves. I know most people don't have the time to do that.

You must not have been following the game "pretty closely" if you thought it had more than Canyon though. I refuse to believe that.

"this game will ship with roughly 1/7 the content of our previous game". <- a terrible way to advertise a game, even if it were true. Advertising is all about putting the best aspects of your product forward, not comparing it to your own past products or other people's and pointing out the parts that are seemingly worse or lacking in your own. Don't ever go into the advertising business, please.

I disagree with your statement about 1/7 the content. The environments were just one part of those games. The editor, MediaTracker, dedicated servers, etc. All those things make up the previous game. All those things are here, plus... some additional things now with ManiaScript, ManiaLib, etc etc... tons of new stuff for the community to extend the game and do all kinds of things. I don't even know what's possible yet. I can't wait to see what people make.

You're only missing a few more environments to have a more varied experience with different physics. To me, Canyon is complex enough to spend quite a long time on though. There's a lot of styles of driving here, many road surfaces to master... many kinds of tracks.

The cost is minimal for what you get. I choose not to compare the costs of the games, but rather to look at the game I bought and ask myself whether it was worth the money I spent. And for me, it was.

There's also the matter that the development costs and amount of work put into each of the new environments is orders of magnitude greater than any single environment of the past.

I doubt you'll find many new games with the level of customization that TM offers for any price, much less a price that is much lower than the average games being released.

The Nadeo guys have to eat too, and they're still making the game very affordable for everyone. I think they should be applauded for keeping the price manageable for most people.

So my thoughts were right about you, coz your English you know like, hmm aborigine! =)))

Here we would say... a native. And I thank you sir.