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Re: The game is just starting!

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babsolune wrote:
xis101 wrote:
Hylis wrote:.., created the calendar events tool, ..
sorry, I missed this. where can I find some infos about it?
I saw it just once, put it in favorite. i can now see it in my bookmark list, but can't joint it anymore
It's because they decide to change many things on this function and work on a new version :thumbsup:
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Are you talking about the "Invite buddies" button under "Calendar" on the "Buddies" tab of Maniahome?
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Re: The game is just starting!

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I think it's the beginning of the new project but I don't know all.
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Re: The game is just starting!

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I can't see how this game (=TM²) is just starting.
I don't care about Questmania, Shootmania or Maniaplanet, i'm a trackmaniac
and other parts of "the big picture" aren't really of any interest for me aslong
as it's not changing TM².

I started playing TMS in june 2005 and added TMN and TMU to the list over time.
Even years after release people are still playing and enjoying TMN/TMU.
So of course i was excited to find out (about 2 weeks ago) that TM² was released.

But only 4 months after release of TM² it's already difficult finding servers ?
For germany there's only 1 server really populated (UBISoft Germany or something)
and that only holds 18 players on average which then are often from several other
countries than germany/austria/swiss (that's not bad, but in TMS/TMN/TMU the
majority of players on german servers were germans).

I can't say i'm disappointed about TM² (although it seems like an unfinished product
with only 1 environment which is not typical for a real TM game and only 1 mode)
but the lack of players is quite critical.


So, could please someone enlighten me how - not even 4 months after release - the
game can just be starting if there's already such a drop in playerbase ?
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Re: The game is just starting!

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I think that this game never going to have a big community with the actual price.

20€ for 1 enviroment, no stunts, no platform, not puzzle...

I like TMNF because its a great game and free. Later I saw TMUF in a MM (Spain) for 7 or 8€ and I bought it.
Its a great game, a lot of enviroments, game modes... A complete game that I still playing.


But now Nadeo want sell 1 enviroment without game modes for 20€. With 3 enviroments, the game will cost 60€ at least. And only 3 enviroments for the 7 of TMUF.

And, sincerely, I pay 50€ for games like Zelda, Mario or maybe call of duty too. For TMUF I would paid this too.

But never going to paid 20€ for a incomplete game and less when I can buy a game with ten times more content and for lest price. When TM2 have 5 or 6 enviroments and more game modes, I will paid for it like a normal game, now no.


PD: When can I contact with Nadeo support for a lose key in TMUF? :oops:
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You forget that in the beginning there was only Desert in the first Trackmania demo, then came Snow and Rally with Trackmania Original.
Later Bay, Coast and Island were added with Trackmania Sunrise, which was again costly.
And Stadium was presented as free and costly version with TMNF and TMUF.
So please don't compare dumping price of an older game with a relatively new release.

Of course it is a bit disappointing that Canyon was not released as completely finished game with Maniaplanet 2.0.
But you know what? The community - so all of us - has asked for this release, for premature betas.
Nadéo has decided to do more separate releases and improvements, and now we just have to wait.
I prefer to have Canyon now and later this year Valley instead of waiting some more years until some kind of Tracmania 2 package with many environments would be released.
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Of course, you have reason in that the beginning of trackmania was like trackmania 2. Only 1 enviroment.
And some players want have canyon now and going playing trackmania 2 and paid for the futures enviroments and game modes.

But I think that most of trackmania players prefer wait for "trackmania 2 united" and this is the cause of the small community of TM2. How big was the community when only exist desert? I not played trackmania yet but I am sure that it was even smaller than canyon.

So I think that the TM2 community will be small until the united launch.

Ah, and sorry for my bad english :3
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the community will continue with the existing games and become greater with every new environment :thumbsup:
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TMarc wrote:I prefer to have Canyon now and later this year Valley instead of waiting some more years until some kind of Tracmania 2 package with many environments would be released.
Sure, without any extra costs i wouldn't even mention it (well, still the player base is
so small i've never ever seen so few players in TMS / TMN / TMU - especially not in
the first 6 months after release) but i think i'd rather get back to TMU than buying
Valley + another environment for all together 60€ over the next 12-18 months.

TM was always about massive multiplayer and racing against 6 others - just like i
did about 30 minutes ago simply isn't TM.


With this "buy every environment seperately" business model i also can't imagine
the playerbase increasing. Maybe Nadeo/Ubisoft should simply call TM:C a failed
experiment and release a real Trackmania title with at least 3 environments and
3 game modes alltogether as a full game when they finished them all.
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xnorb wrote:Sure, without any extra costs i wouldn't even mention it (well, still the player base is
so small i've never ever seen so few players in TMS / TMN / TMU - especially not in
the first 6 months after release) but i think i'd rather get back to TMU than buying
Valley + another environment for all together 60€ over the next 12-18 months.
You are free to go back to TMNF which is totally free, but then please don't complain that Canyon has better graphics, nicer blocks and better drifting ;)

The separate environment thing is just because many players complained about this or that environment they had to pay for but they did not like, either because they were uncapable to drive there (e.g. Coast) or because they just did'nt like it.
And the old TM gamers saw a large decreasing of the previously good community with the appearance of the "freezone" servers and many people thinking they could allow everything.

It looks like wathever Neadó does it is wrong.

So let Nadéo release Maniaplanet 2 and the next few environments, and let them see how the community really reacts.
It is not because of just one or two unsatisfied gamers that they whill change a lot.
But the sales numbers and continous count of online players will tell the truth.

TMNF was a big gift to the community and the community should not forget this and not claim new environments for free, or they will get worse and really bad and cheap...
If really anything in TM2 could be modded then the chaos would be there and then people would even more complain about crap contents from the many little wannabe-creators.
And I think this is exactly what Nadeo wants to prevent.
So I prefere decent environments from the real pros.

As a bad example you can already see what is happening with hexamodding.
Some tracks are really nice, but it is very difficult to make them and also partially difficult to drive them.
And there is no warning on servers that the next track will be hexamodded.
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