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Omnixor wrote:gas is not analog in trackmania, just turning.

It doesn't support it and this is good because it's an acarde game and not a simulation.

and also because it would give a BIG advantage to pad players, which isn't really fair for competitive/esports game.

Especially since not everybody can -afford- a good pad, a frivolous expense. Yes, my computer costs more than any pad ever will, but I use my computer for way more than just gaming. Most namely, my education. And to play movies for my child while on the go. Both of those things (child and school) take up time that would be spent gaming--i.e., they are higher on my priority list. Therefore, while I would spend money on my kid (of course), money on a computer, and money on my education, that would leave me with little-to-no money to spend on a pad or stick with which to play a racing game. Therefore, I -have- to be content with just a keyboard. If this ever were changed, I would have to stop playing racing games altogether, which would be very frustrating to me.

Omnixor wrote:

It doesn't support it and this is good because it's an acarde game and not a simulation.

and also because it would give a BIG advantage to pad players, which isn't really fair for competitive/esports game.

its been like this forever and its just about practice so its not unfair
it meight take 1 - 4 weeks to get use of the controller/keyb depend on your in learning curve...

but if it only support keyboard then i must learn it, if i want to keep on playing
simple as that

but that wont happen becouse gp is supported from the beginning of tm, i think ?

Yes. The very first Trackmania game supported Gampads. If it didn't I would never have played it.
I got into racing games first in arcades, then Atari, Nintendo and Playstation. Now it's mostly PC but playing console games over the years got me use to a joystick or controller. It doesn't matter to me if it is Arcade or simulation. Better control is still better control. When I drive my real car I don't tap the steering wheel, I turn it. I like to drive games that way too.

First off, I was calling the keyboard players who can drive well with keyboard elitist. Not pad players .

I beat pad players all the time on keyboard so I think I am one of those elite .
My worry was more along the lines of what Omnixor said, about this being a competitive game. As long as it's possible to do as well (possibly having to resort to different strategies than pad players in environments like rally) as pad players with a keyboard (like it was in TMUF) I don't have a problem with it -- (hell, I play flight-sim-shooter games with a keyboard and mouse ) it takes more work so you have to put the time in one way or the other. I don't want TM to become a pad-exclusive game though because that wouldn't be a fun game for people who don't have the money or the time to learn pad controls.

I'm going to ask Rat not to insult keyboard players though (don't call us lazy). As Trackmaniak said there are good reasons to drive keyboard. It takes a lot of work to drive well with a keyboard and those who can do it, definitely are not lazy. And I want to remind him that some of us are trying to get our university degrees! He should know what has to take priority there .

Alter-Fox wrote:I beat pad players all the time on keyboard so I think I am one of those elite

Awsome. I couldn't do that and I think that's cool. My hat's off to you.

Alter-Fox wrote:I don't want TM to become a pad-exclusive game though because that wouldn't be a fun game for people who don't have the money or the time to learn pad controls.

I agree and I don't think NADEO would ever make it exclusive to one type of control. I like that there are options for what people are most comfortable with or just a prefered method.

Alter-Fox wrote:I'm going to ask Rat not to insult keyboard players though (don't call us lazy). As Trackmaniak said there are good reasons to drive keyboard. It takes a lot of work to drive well with a keyboard and those who can do it, definitely are not lazy.

Well said.

Alter-Fox wrote:I beat pad players all the time on keyboard so I think I am one of those elite

Maybe in nations and canyon, but you will get cracked on island and rally and high speed snow maps. Can surely say that, because i was one of the best island kb drivers, before i switched to pad.

Alter-Fox wrote:I don't want TM to become a pad-exclusive game though because that wouldn't be a fun game for people who don't have the money or the time to learn pad controls.

Just to be honest. You can get a pad for 5-10 euros and it takes the same amount of time to master a new environment with KB or pad (independent of your previous experience).

Alter-Fox wrote:I'm going to ask Rat not to insult keyboard players though (don't call us lazy). As Trackmaniak said there are good reasons to drive keyboard. It takes a lot of work to drive well with a keyboard and those who can do it, definitely are not lazy.

I wouldn't say anything against KB players, because Acid is one of the best desert drivers i know. But if you want to be competitive, you need to invest something. E.g. new tires for your racing car or a more powerful engine. In case of TM, it's the input device. Even on canyon and nations, analogue gives you an advantage in case of corrections of your driving line. Therefore, in this specific environments, you can be as good as others with the kb, but on a harder cost.

Here in Canada pads are more expensive.
We must not have as big a market for them or something like that.

And like I've said in other places many times I have a disability that affects my coordination. You don't see it normally (well you don't see me at all ), but it makes it very tough to control the sticks on a pad (or a joystick which is why I play Descent and its clones with kb + mouse). Keyboard is easier for me because it doesn't take as much coordination effort to press buttons -- so I can focus on my position on the track instead of on my finger's position on the stick .

And I beat people in Island all the time, you could have the best controller on the planet but without actual skill it means nothing. And the people I race with who do have more skill than me tend to be the kind of people I like to hang out with anyway. All fulfills the goal of having fun eh?

That is what it's all about!