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...but you're one of those who'll always doubt someone is cheating. Same stuff back then in 2k and cs, some just are to naiv. Basically, you have to play on a high level by yourself to understand "what" is possible and what is "artificial" !

I laughed.

The guy on the second video is not cheating, or at least not obviously/enough to make it unbearable like the first one.

Thankfully the law system IRL does not agree with you, otherwise there would be a lot of innocent people in jail... please search for "benefit of the doubt".

infarctus wrote:+1111111 for all the ones who share.

I understand that NADEO do not want to spread it here, but come on guys, this is a war. A war where we have to know our enemies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNllEkMuwRM

I'm not agree to share videos/links like that on the forum. For example on the second video, i don't see why you treat the player of cheater because personally i don't see anything in the mouse mouvements to tell that the guy is cheating.

No one should become paranoid because of this first "tool".

(this sentence will be for everyone) There will always be someone stronger than you and everyone should should give the benefit of the doubt as Leavzou said. Report players only when you're absolutely sure at 100% and that is obvious on the replay

utzutz wrote: ...but you're one of those who'll always doubt someone is cheating. Same stuff back then in 2k and cs, some just are to naiv. Basically, you have to play on a high level by yourself to understand "what" is possible and what is "artificial" !

Right.

Leavzou wrote:

...but you're one of those who'll always doubt someone is cheating. Same stuff back then in 2k and cs, some just are to naiv. Basically, you have to play on a high level by yourself to understand "what" is possible and what is "artificial" !

I laughed.

The guy on the second video is not cheating, or at least not obviously/enough to make it unbearable like the first one.

Thankfully the law system IRL does not agree with you, otherwise there would be a lot of innocent people in jail... please search for "benefit of the doubt".

I knew this clip would be too subtle, even though the last shot at spawn was so obvious. I mean seriously.... who stands in the middle of the map turns around 360 and then locks on someone instantly in the spawn shooting 1cm of his head without readjusting ?

Hence I uploaded another one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh5kTmej ... e=youtu.be

Leavzou, you stated your doubt, eventhough without profound clarification and just with an arrogant "i laughed". Do you know how the multi hack of ag works, or basically any aiming engine ?
It's standard "on-click". It normally isn't forced to instantly lock in every surrounding target, it locks in on-shot to the predicted place to be less striking.

Watch the two kills at second 30 - way too "on the spot" without a single need to correct the hand.
Watch how the crosshair is constantly few inches right to the enemy if it fails (that's called prediction system - 1:20 two fail shots in close distance)
watch 3:00 - clinch without shooting, he fails to deliberately aim at his enemy "once". He just has no precise control about it, but the moment he shots in like 0:30 he's on the spot, because it's just aiming "on click".

These are no pro flinck-shots. Everyone tries to aim at someone once in a while, no one "simply flinck shots" all the time.

... but who cares as of now. As long as the message gets spread !

PS: I guess you need more obvious stuff like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtON59eMgqg

To have no doubts right. Surprise... no one ever will cheat to get caught, it'll always remain subtle.

Leavzou, you stated your doubt, eventhough without profound clarification and just with an arrogant "i laughed". Do you know how the multi hack of ag works, or basically any aiming engine ?
It's standard "on-click". It normally isn't forced to instantly lock in every surrounding target, it locks in on-shot to the predicted place to be less striking.

I laughed because you said "you need to be high level" to a professional player, wich is kind of funny, you know ? Do you also know that I worked quite some times as a member of the anti-cheat staff for ESL, analysing replays second per second all day long ? I'm also a professional programmer (as well as a pro-gamer :p). I've got far enough skills to recognize and understand how cheats work, but thanks for the advices anyway. Oh and by the way, the prediction-system that you are talking about is wrong. As the movement from the cursor takes aprox 1/5 frames to adjust and the rail beeing "instant", you don't need any prediction system. The cheat calculate the position of the hitbox and the vector needed by the cursor to align them.

But you definetly look coinvincing for someone who don't have a clue about what he is talking about for sure.

+11111 isnt cheating, his gameplay looks very normal to me.

the other video, link below, is an other house number, it is more obvious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtON59eMgqg

Guys, really!

Stop sharing this stuff.


Collect your replays and stuff and send them to NADEO if needed. They are working on this problem right now and I don't think it would help if newbies come here and see links for hacks and tools (I doubt they knew about tools before).

Do it privately per Skype or whatever. This is a serious problem and just making show offs here isn't the solution.

that "tool" is not free, if I understood it right. so not much danger I guess...

Leavzou wrote:

Leavzou, you stated your doubt, eventhough without profound clarification and just with an arrogant "i laughed". Do you know how the multi hack of ag works, or basically any aiming engine ?
It's standard "on-click". It normally isn't forced to instantly lock in every surrounding target, it locks in on-shot to the predicted place to be less striking.

I laughed because you said "you need to be high level" to a professional player, wich is kind of funny, you know ? Do you also know that I worked quite some times as a member of the anti-cheat staff for ESL, analysing replays second per second all day long ? I'm also a professional programmer (as well as a pro-gamer :p). I've got far enough skills to recognize and understand how cheats work, but thanks for the advices anyway. Oh and by the way, the prediction-system that you are talking about is wrong. As the movement from the cursor takes aprox 1/5 frames to adjust and the rail beeing "instant", you don't need any prediction system. The cheat calculate the position of the hitbox and the vector needed by the cursor to align them.

But you definetly look coinvincing for someone who don't have a clue about what he is talking about for sure.

Well, considering your "young" history, I've been in EAS and in an EPS team, before it went EPS, in cstrike back in 2k2-2k4 (ocrana and even, which became faculty), which however clarifies I know 'bout what I'm talking considering fps gaming. I've also been a part of the first development days of punkbuster, but you're to an extend definitely right - as I've never played quake or comparative games competetively and comparing quake with cs is kind of not possible.

So yes, you're right if talkin about how to judge this... however, I definitely wonder if someone would call that "natural aim".

But then, I definitely am curious about your pretty short attention span as my post was an answer to Sephis, never talked to you before. So you laughed about me, whilst I was talking to someone else, or do you always address all the posts in a thread to yourself ?



Nevertheless, this is just to make it popular, not to find cheater and globally ban 'em. Basically those are just pubs, it gets serious when talkin about cups or leagues, which might just be a matter of weeks till you spot the first one.

Problem is mainly that it's insanely easy to make an aimbot yourself in SM compared to other games since maniascript allows access to [every] player in the game, their position, etc. Maniascript also offers a way to communicate with external applications thus only requiring some application to "aim" your mouse.

Not like I have any experience with existing aimbots, but maniascript makes it easy to do.

The current 'hackers' probably use something else tho.