Convert Coppers to Planets

[www.e-gekko.net]

Yeah, copper is not important. I told it from the begin that was made with nonsense until i found a sense.
Spend coppers to get a skin i can found for free is useless. Spend copper to have a goal is the key, anyway....

Taking a real job....hmmmm... what is a real job for you? In 2010 i think your consideration is out of time.
Maybe you wanted to be a coder or a business man but you failed. This are not my mind.

$business = new Planet();
$business->Nadeo->admin->player = the key!!

No is not illegal, or all the European software houses must close today.

I'm talking of business for Nadeo to admins to players, and maybe the tournament machine will raise again.
People like me build job for young peoples (18+) that wanna work in what they like.
And usually young boys, without work, don't have a keyboard if they don't have a PC, so if they have a PC, they have money to take the keyboard and to buy 100 PLANET with 1€ (example).

For me businees and pleasure are already mixed, and work at 200% (not 100%).
But there are some peoples, that wanna all for themselves. But will never happen

I agree with free TM, but we don't need free games, we need great games where a player can spend and earn too.
I think Nadeo do a great thing doing TM2 not free, so we will not have time losers and ghost servers.

I know most of you don't agree my minds, but if you want more players, if you want Nadeo earn, if you want TM3 in 2012 (example) and other great games, they need to build a money cycle.
Well, maybe they found another solution while we discuss, but my solution, can carry more than 500.000 active players and not only game download (4 Millions download and 3000 active players hmmmmm)...

Well finally, i hope Hylis and the Team, give us some news on ManiaCode, to understand how the work goes on.
Maybe a news letter for who managed servers in TM since much time can be nice.
Sorry for my english.

[Romain42]

This thread comes to a hairy troll.

There are at least two debates : coppers/planets conversion (which is imo meaningless) and planets/real money conversion, which may have much more consequences on the gamers' lives. Actually, the troll seems more interesting than the original debate.

Let's flame !

Gekko, you obviously want to make business with TM. I don't want to judge you: it's your concern after all.

TM2 could get its own economy, with its own businessmen, producers, customers, investers... and maybe its own poors. Maybe some leftists will call for regulation or redistribution and Hylis will have to do politics and find a good balance (gl hf : he has already such problems with the ladder ).

The matter is also what Nadeo wants its game to become. Do they want the casual/roockie players to be flooded by tons of advertisement, marketing and propaganda from the more active players who have something to sell them?

Some things have not necessary to be ruled by the economy. When somebody asks me what time it is, i answer him for free. I could ask for money. After all, i supply him/her a service. But is it really relevant? Is it really the kind of society we want to live in?

...can be created a big business around the game, helping the game to raise more and more. More interests, more advertise, more players, more money, all happy!!!!

All happy... rather you happy! As i said, some people want to forget business when they come to TM. Without realiable information, you can't stay which group is majority. The issue could also be: how can we make coexist free and paying exchanges?

I know most of you don't agree my minds, but if you want more players, if you want Nadeo earn, if you want TM3 in 2012 (example) and other great games, they need to build a money cycle.

Of course. Nobody said TM2 should be free (except maybe some TMNF kids ). Only the fact that PLAYERS (not nadeo) could get profit from what they do on TM (i.e in the framework of their leisure) is under debate.

Well, maybe they found another solution while we discuss, but my solution, can carry more than 500.000 active players and not only game download (4 Millions download and 3000 active players hmmmmm)...

Let me do the advocate of the devil: once a license is sold, Nadeo don't really need the player to play for life. The 500.000 figure seems random but we are used now...

[www.e-gekko.net]

Yes i understand, i think our 2 philosophy are both good, but depend on different things.
We don't know much, or you don't know much, or me don't know much about Nadeo (Ubisoft), i talk thinkin of the past experiences.

When you say i wanna do a business around a game (is not only TM), is not exactly, because all company do business around game, or you think ESL and the others do it for fame?
So, i don't wanna create a job for me, i already have one, but my goal is to create a new kind of job for peoples wanna do admins, server managers, dedicated renters....

That's all.
I agree with you, if we think the game is fully free.
But if not, i bet on September 2011 Nadeo release a free part of TM2 for low players.
Maybe i'm wrong, maybe i'm right, but is only a way to give to Hylis, some suggestions, that they can take and mix with theirs.
I don't wanna say "Do like i say" but only to turn on some ideas.
They have more experience, they took some of my ideas (you will see, i already know but i can't tell, Hylis told to me much months ago), but is important we move the ground, also if we say stupidities.
They (Nadeo) knows how to take the best part from our suggestions. That's all!

[Romain42]

When you say i wanna do a business around a game (is not only TM), is not exactly, because all company do business around game, or you think ESL and the others do it for fame?

I don't know ESL enough, but i highly doubt that ET get money for the competitions they organize. Most of the events in TM are still free and if you have a look at TMX, TM-Mod (temporarily closed) or TM-Carpark, you'll see lots of people release their productions for free.

[www.e-gekko.net]

ET get money and muchhhhhhhhhhhh!! Very much!
Boys wake up pleaseeeee! I go bad when i listen to this things!!!

If Nadeo gift me a server with 155Mbit Upload full duplex with 8 core AMD and 16Gb and 15000Gb Traffic, i will release all for free. Until this will never happen, will be like i told.
And the others do the SAME!!!!
But this is the suggestion for Coppers/Planet post, not for how much i earn, or how much they earn.
You need to put in your minds, who have the possibility do it, who not, not!!!!
Who invest, earn, who play for free don't earn. That's all.

P.S.: if you wanna know how much ESL and ET earn, you can search the year sheet with earnings, tax, bonuses, awards for managers that every company publish to internet to explain where they take money from. Just spend some minutes on internet to search.

[tcq]

ET get money and muchhhhhhhhhhhh!! Very much!
Boys wake up pleaseeeee! I go bad when i listen to this things!!!

P.S.: if you wanna know how much ESL and ET earn, you can search the year sheet with earnings, tax, bonuses, awards for managers that every company publish to internet to explain where they take money from. Just spend some minutes on internet to search.

Oh my god gekko, stop posting lies over lies. With posting stuff like that, you villainise ET. So please stay at facts. By just posting random stuff (the idea of using one character multiply times don't make you look older and cooler, it's just like "bamm, i wanne have right, even if i'm wrong"), maybe some guys of the italian community or your clan will listen with one ear to you but not educated people.

[Slig]

Lol gekko,

ET earn nothing. In fact it costs to ET admins both money and time (they pay to rent the web server). And I make the FET (and other cups) servers for free, on a personal server.
Same, I pay for Dedimania server, and last 4 years donations pay less than 20% of the rent server(s) for it.
All common server scripts and managers are free.

I'm pretty sure that most of those who make tools or services for the TM community don't do it for business.

[www.e-gekko.net]

Sorry Slig i confused ET with another tournament comapany (the names are all similar, uff!!). Sorry. Yes, i know you pay like me ...... respect to you mate!!

[Trackmaniack]

Woow....lots of hate goin' on here. Where's the love? Gekko's postin' an opinion...not necessarily hard fact. Ease up on him ya'll...We're supposed to be one of the friendliest communities around, and yeah I know we're all pumped about the release of the new Maniaworld series, but just take a deep breath and take it down a notch, yeah?

[AngelFred]

What about doing all a big community hug??? Kidding but like Trackmaniack i think there should be more love and less hate in this topic. Let's have some fun guy and girls.

And for the money thing, I think the game should be to buy and not to download but other stuff like community stuff (ex: mods, skins, 3D models, avatars, etc.) should be free on websites like tm-carpark, tm-mod, etc. Like the actual TM. This is a good way to work. They make money on the first thing, and after we can play and make maps, skins, got skins and maps, etc.

A little bit like Counter Strike: Source. For this you can go on FPSBanana get the maps you want and all the stuff you want. For free. So let's have fun like before in TM and buy the game and after have some fun searching skins or making skins for free.

Voilà.