The worlds First Tournament in Trackmania 2

[Hylis]

Still, even in football rules have changed every now and then, even when (some) people opposed to it.

for me, it is more like tennis on different type of ground. Greatest champion are good on all of them, but in history, some were mainly good on one, and was champion as well!

"it's like saying a football player should suddenly move over to playing handball" may not be the best exemple.

[FrostBeule]

Im just frightend, like Frostbeule, if the community will split and TM isnt supported enough to live for a longer time .

The community will split. You can't stop that. However, because both games are by Nadeo you can actually figure out ways to keep both communities on or around the same page.

I think that the fear makes the barrier and the split. See all TrackMania as one community, and you can't think of a split. Otherwise, you can always split: dirt/speed, ET Portal/ESL, team/solo etc.

But if you carefully look, FB is #1 and it is totally understandable that he would like Stadium to stay #1 environment. I have nothing against that, but my main focus is to make the funniest games as possible and compatible with the best competition as possible. We have supported eSport a lot for Nations and we may now bring more people to play eSport on ManiaPlanet. It is logical. Otherwise, it means we should stop right now all development made for eSport, which would mean that we create a good place for other games to come instead of us. It is not a problem, but since I like eSport and the spirit of it, it would be sad for me.

have a nice week end Eyebo ^_^

once again, you take me as some kind of asshole who is only in it for the money =) it's really a shame that you look at me with such eyes. i don't want stadium to stay #1 environment (whatever that means) i just want what's best for esports, and what esports and trackmania is for ME and for many others. i don't believe in your model of esports nor do i want to play like that. i want 1 platform, 1 football. and focus on that and only that. that's what i want. Stadium was built for esports, and i just dont' see the point in making another trackmania game that is for esports (now as ive said, i really don't believe TM2 will become an esports game anyway). i understand that you want to make more games, and ofc you should do that. but you just can't ignore the legacy and poop all over it. or well, maybe you can, but it's just such a shame. not just for me but for so many people.

Still, even in football rules have changed every now and then, even when (some) people opposed to it.

for me, it is more like tennis on different type of ground. Greatest champion are good on all of them, but in history, some were mainly good on one, and was champion as well!

"it's like saying a football player should suddenly move over to playing handball" may not be the best exemple.

and here we are again. to the core. trackmania is 2 different things. it's the TMO/TMS people wants new environments all the time, and that just see stadium as a demo to the FULL game. what you started with and what your roots are. and then there's the TMNF crowd who see that game as the main game, and the other envs as bonus material.

[Hylis]

I did not spoke of money, you are thinking of it.

If you want us to stop to develop anything about eSport on TrackMania that is not in Stadium, tell us clearly. That will be easier to understand you.But you would have to explain how we can improve in that area without doing it ôO

[FrostBeule]

I did not spoke of money, you are thinking of it.

If you want us to stop to develop anything about eSport on TrackMania that is not in Stadium, tell us clearly. That will be easier to understand you.But you would have to explain how we can improve in that area without doing it ôO

i read between the lines =) sadly that's what i always have to try and do with your riddles. but hey, if you wanna explain what you REALLY meant, by all means.
yes i think you should just focus all things esports on just stadium. i think that's best =) or perhaps not focus on esports at all, and just let us do our thing. atleast for the time being. once esports is big enough perhaps there can room for more. but it's not the case today. we have built something up, why tear it down? just because you don't agree with it and don't like it? that's just stupid thinking. perhaps you are a megalomaniac or something? im starting to believe it.

but don't get me wrong (ofc you will anyway). you can ofc hold tournaments in TM2. it's not about that. it's the Dreamhack stuff that i'm against. trying to forcefully put in TM2 in place of TMNF.

[Hylis]

that's just stupid thinking. perhaps you are a megalomaniac or something? im starting to believe it.

ok, that's it.

bye bye FrostBeule

[FrostBeule]

that's just stupid thinking. perhaps you are a megalomaniac or something? im starting to believe it.

ok, that's it.

bye bye FrostBeule

wait, weren't you gonna call me by my real name? i am disapoint Florent. or should i say Hylis now?

[Ls777]

Frost, I disagree with you completely. There is no reason that NADEO shouldn't encourage their next trackmania game in esports if they want to. If TM2 is not a game suited for esports, then it will die out on its own. It certainly shouldn't be preemptively banned from an esports competition just due to people's prebias towards it.

You want to stick with football?
Fine. Stick with it.
Nobodies forcing you to move to handball.

[FrostBeule]

Frost, I disagree with you completely. There is no reason that NADEO shouldn't encourage their next trackmania game in esports if they want to. If TM2 is not a game suited for esports, then it will die out on its own. It certainly shouldn't be preemptively banned from an esports competition just due to people's prebias towards it.

You want to stick with football?
Fine. Stick with it.
Nobodies forcing you to move to handball.

sure they can do what they want. but it's like Korre says: 1. it probably wont become an esports game and 2. it will only harm the esports community of TMNF that already exists. sure maybe Ubisoft will continue to push in money to it and have it in WCG and stuff. but it's like beating a dead horse you know? and it's not good for anyone.

[wiidesire-2]

wait, weren't you gonna call me by my real name? i am disapoint Florent. or should i say Hylis now?

why are you writing my full name as some kind of extremely weird insult? i don't get it lol. i don't understand what point you're trying to make either (as always).

he was so kind to accept that you want to be called with your nickname reluctantly, now he does and now you are disappointed?

I don't say this often, but you little kiddy , please go home to mami and please think again about what you wrote.

What do you except?

You weep like a baby that Florent doesn't kill nations, but you also insult him? Who the fuck are you to do this?

If you would have been nicely to him , maybe he would change something, but not even then, because you are maybe 1 of this 100 players ( of 9 000 000) , who think this way.

You join this discussion, just offer critism and you think anything will change? If you think you can do it better than Florent, why don't you make your own game? Florent and the other 14 developers also made Nations forever popular, and they did all perfect! Also you have no chance to stop it. Even if Trackmania 2 wouldn't come this year, Nations forever will be staled. It's the same like Nations when Nations forever came.

Really the only thing , which I hope Nadeo is doing is the following:

After Trackmania Nations forever came, nations was left behind. I mean really left behind. The top 1000 were full of boosters and cheater and Nadeo didn't care about it ( even if they ran the servers).
If Nadeo will still support Nations forever, but also a new game, I see no danger that the new game will kill Nations. But the affect could be that esport will go to Trackmania 2, because it's simple just better.

Me as an developer, I would have banned you with your second post. It's ok to arrouse critism, but not like this way! It's the same in the ,,real world´´, if you just make critism without any suggestions or suggestion for improvement ( and I don't mean something like , mamy mamy don't make this tournament, make it for nations)
then nobody will help you.

Sincerely,

Max


ps: if you discuss now that you have good suggestions, then go to esports leaders and talk to them, we are here in a Trackmania 2 topic and if you want to discuss than please do it in trackmania 1.

and again:

Why shouldn't Nadeo/Ubisoft promote a new game? Should they say, Trackmania 2 is coming, but be careful don't forget Trackmania nations, it's a free game and it's perfect. Wow that would be great marketing...

[Ls777]

sure they can do what they want. but it's like Korre says: 1. it probably wont become an esports game

Extreme preemptive bias. You are judging the game before it's even released.
Also, like I said, if it isn't destined to be esports material, then it won't be. It'll die out.
However, you are suggesting that NADEO not even bother trying, which is actually quite rude towards a company that released an entire game devoted towards esports competition for free.

2. it will only harm the esports community of TMNF that already exists.

Why so fearful? This is silliness. To suggest that a new racing game can't be added because.. OMG some players from TMN might play it instead of sticking with STADIUM!!! is really an overdramatic reaction.

IF TMN is really way more suited to esports than TM2, then players will try TM2, and then end up going back to TMN. I don't really see what the big deal is.

and it's not good for anyone.

That's opinion. I think you meant to say, "its not good for the people who only want to play TMN and not try TM2."