TheBigG. wrote:that would be the death of the game, than we have no community in tmf and no community in maniaplanet. If this happen there is no reason to buy anything from nadeo couse nadeos games are mmog and they dont make fun alone.
The first versions of Trackmania (TM, TMO, TMS, TMSX...) were not free and it didn't prevent people to have lots of fun. Those guys that you call a "no-community" built up TMX, TM-Carpark, Electronic Tournaments, dozens if not hundreds of teams... What you call "no-community" is actually a different way of gaming, with less buddies but closer ones. Maybe it seems outdated in the facebook-friend era, though...
firstdriver wrote:There is a vast difference between TMNF/TMUF Stadium and TM2 Canyons. There is a much bigger drift in Canyons and you only have to tap your brakes to initiate wide sliding whereas the original Stadium drift is much less, more controlled and less 'floaty'. The handling physics of the two games are totally different.
Hey, i didn't say Canyon had the same gameplay as Stadium! My point was that, in my opinion, Canyon was rather close to Stadium - not identical (if you think Canyon is really that away from Stadium, you should try for instance Rally...). And i think Nadeo thought about how to please TMN players when they designed Canyon. I might be wrong, though...
firstdriver wrote:Having bought TMUF, the very thought that ours server should be closed down makes me angry. I'm looking forward to playing TM2 Stadium but I'll still play TMUF as well because it's a great game.
Of course, i didn't say TMUF servers should be shut down. I daily play TMUF... And although i said closing the TM
NF servers could increase the willingness to buy the game, i didn't say it would be fair, i didn't say i would support it.
zarexz wrote:Arn't all "old" servers closed down when there's a new sequel to a game?
TMO, TMSX, TMNF and TMUF ones are still running. Considering Nadeo's policy until now, it seems unlikely that they could be closed shortly.
Timmeh7 wrote:Those are exactly my thoughts. TMNF should be shut down with the "new Stadium" release. Regard it as an update.

With still the Freezones system in TM2? With the advertisement coming back? (How wonderful!) With Nadeo building up debts until its banckruptcy to make this generous gift?
Timmeh7 wrote:I think that would the most reasonable option to get more players.
Getting more players is coming to its end. Considering the huge number of players on TMNF, i really doubt they'll easily increase it by a 10 factor with TM2, even if it is partly free. Furthermore, more players doesn't mean more customers, as long as the game is free... This could be a pride for Nadeo, but it will not feed them. Considering us, players, i think we'll not get a real advantage with more players, as long as most of those "more players" play mostly lol-maps on servers where nobody say "Hello"... The Community is worthy if it allows interesting exchanges between players, whether they are 10, 100 or billions. All in all, i'm not sure it is that reasonnable to give a free game (that is free for players but has a cost for Nadeo) to players that don't really take part in the community and bring nothing to the game nor to us who paid it.
Well, i have no clear opinion about how Nadeo should release Stadium on TM2 (free or not, limited or not, linked to another title or not...). Maybe i'll have an opinion in the future, but for now i'm just releasing my thoughts as long as they come.

All the systems have advantages and drawbacks... Of course, we as players could ask for everything free and everything at our best advantage, without caring about whether or not it is viable, or about the other consequences it could have. But i don't think it is really wise.