[BUG] Lagoon wood loops are totally random

[rat_in_car]

Hylis designed Island to be the best keyboard-friendly environment at first, but the effect was the opposite

And good for us that Island turned out to be a great gamepad env. :) I'm always laugh when someone says "I choose keyboard" or "I have keyboard". First - keyboard is not a choice, it's device that you already have connected to your computer. If you have no gamepad then you have no choice - you must use what you have. Second - I have keyboard too. :) But using it only for chat ingame. :)

[disposableaccount]

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It's not 100% true because Hylis designed Island to be the best keyboard-friendly environment at first

all the original and sunrise environment's aren't keyboard friendly at all.

Sure, I didn't say the opposite

Hylis designed Island to be the best keyboard-friendly environment at first, but the effect was the opposite

i know, i just wanted to say that all the first 6 environment's are bad for keyboard, i was going to edit that post later but i'll just say it here.

their turn is too sharp and punish the player at higher speeds, stadium aside all the united environment's feels like they are made for a gamepad which is a really weird decision for a pc exclusive. tapping the keyboard arrows all the time just feels awful in comparison to a analog stick.
why the hell Hylis would say it's made for keyboard when it's clearly not i have no idea

Hylis designed Island to be the best keyboard-friendly environment at first, but the effect was the opposite

And good for us that Island turned out to be a great gamepad env. I'm always laugh when someone says "I choose keyboard" or "I have keyboard". First - keyboard is not a choice, it's device that you already have connected to your computer. If you have no gamepad then you have no choice - you must use what you have. Second - I have keyboard too. But using it only for chat ingame.

they are just defending they device of "choice" like a fanboy, just like those moronic keyboard vs controller topics on the internet

[FTRast]

I play all the games with my pad, ranging from Trackmania, trough RPG games to shooters like CoD. And it's pure bulls***t, that there's a difference, that one outruns another. Of course, you can't noslide with your keyboard, but how many noslide maps are there? My currently held record on one of the islanders was pushed purely with my keyboard, long time before I did the thing that was buying a pad. As a matter of fact, I reached 3rd spot in Island in World ranking, while still being a keyboarder. Doesn't it say anything? Oh, of course, I could say I didn't get the first place because I didn't have the pad, but that's only an excuse . Besides, if you're able to throw off those fifty bucks for your game, why don't you just go ahead and throw in another 30 bucks for a pad?

[rat_in_car]

Everyone can mastering keyboard, that's for sure. But people do not want to learn, they want to play good from start. :) That's why programmers gives them easy slow steering without tapping and now even noslide at fullspeed. :)

[i7mean]

I don't really like the "you already paid 50, so pay another 30"
I mean, yes I already paid for something, I don't want to pay for something else. TM is not a "pay to play", it's a large audiance game, that even bad employees play at secretly at work.
In console everybody is already on an equal point : all pads, no distinction.
In PC everybody has an equal point : all keyboards, no disctinction. At the moment that some environments are almost impossible to play with keyboard (island, rally..MP envis are pretty much okay), then it becomes inequal.
You don't know, maybe some people cannot afford buying a pad... Maybe you laugh at this, but it's reality, we must show some respect.

[TMarc]

It's not impossible to play in general, it's a personal decision (out of a choice) and a matter of practise.

But let's get back to the original topic please.

[i7mean]

You practice how much you want on island (I did on kb), getting a pad will get you a +95 skill.
You know what, I know something since I played Island with keyboard during like one year. Shitty times, shitty skills.
I took an old PS3 pad, with horrible analogs. I beat ALL my PB on every map, at the second or third try. Then I earned maybe 1 000 000 SP on Island Nadeo maps within 5 months.
Island is not a matter of practice, not for me at least.

Now back to the topic

[The_Big_Boo]

I play all the games with my pad, ranging from Trackmania, trough RPG games to shooters like CoD. And it's pure bulls***t, that there's a difference, that one outruns another. Of course, you can't noslide with your keyboard, but how many noslide maps are there?

Every competitive maps are noslide. I don't know what kind of maps you're playing on or against who, but there are a lot of people playing with an analogic controller (gamepad, joystick, wheel) who can crush anyone playing with a keyboard, you included.
I also quoted the fact you're playing FPS with a gamepad (though it's CoD), but it doesn't need any further comment.

[Zooz]

Here you must fight with physics, finding workarounds, tricks etc. It's not like TM should be. TM is not about who discover best way to prevent bugs, it's who has better skills and can drive faster.

You are contradicting yourself. Being fast in TM absolutely involves finding tricks and the best way to avoid bugs or other things. The most skilled driver in this game abuses tricks and bugs to his advantage.

yes, this is what the entire Snow environment was about

i know, i just wanted to say that all the first 6 environment's are bad for keyboard, i was going to edit that post later but i'll just say it here.

this is not true, Desert is good for keyboard and some of the best Desert drivers used keyboard.

[TMarc]

Now stop this endless discussion about what is better and what not here, in terms of controller.
We have had this already often enough and this is not the right topic for that, there are enough other controller related topics in the forum.