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In thought of my relativeness in how I express myself, here's a small detailed explanation.

I speak in very point-0-matic form, because of the function mind set of today's society.
What was formal english previously has now been very pronounced in other relativeness.

In other words, it has lost it versatileness (usefullness) and opaqueness (transparency).

So what appears to be mix'd matched, is because it is broken-down in thought relevancy
to induce conscientious projection. Hopefully you become more aware and pay attention
more closely to what is being said.. I could even explain it in more simplest points, yet
the whole post would lose any interest because of its seemly plain insight.

Because either your not equipped morally or silenced because of being over-whelmed.

What it consists of is variable expressions that explain in point from, matters of truth,
that try to relate to how others think, so it'd be encouraged to think positively about a
situation or something being explained to them. Now you got the catch.. yet for those
that are a little lost at this point are the 'mind types' that object trying to deal closely
with an event..

I try to make it an open suggestion to speak clearly my mind, yet I often get thrown
around in mind games and emotional trivia pursuits. So I avoid that, and become an
creative value point to express what it means to me, relativity.

Basically how it affect me..

Anyways this is off-topic in the original topic.. so I posted a response to here just to
give you can idea of what I mean, and if there be any questions, question freely, I do
enjoy having discussions about things, related to shootmania/or not, and about openly
expanding thoughts about other subjects, or eliminating some other dubious doubts.

Sir Knight.

Where are you from?

EDIT: he edited his profile after my question

Canada.

Thanks for this insight into why you write in this way.

Basically, as I understand it... you're writing what you believe to be a form of English more in line with how people's minds work in our modern world. Maybe you're a genius. Maybe you're onto something big.

However, I don't see the point of using this type of communication here on the forums. If no one understands you, or only understands a small percentage of what you say, then why write in this way?

What do they say? "When in Rome, do as the Romans do"

I've even tried to tone down the number of big words I use in my posts, because I know a lot of people who read the forums are speaking English as a second language and may not know as many words as a native English speaker.

I think it's also nice to write in a way that is easily translatable by Google Translate. The simpler the sentence structure, and the more clear your thoughts are, the easier Google Translate will be able to accurately translate what you are writing. I don't always accomplish this, but it's something I strive towards.

It's really a great skill to be able to distill your thoughts into a small amount of text and still make the sentence understood by your reader.

That's my two cents on it.

Going to reply to a few specific things you said now:

kadaz wrote:I speak in very point-0-matic form, because of the function mind set of today's society. What was formal english previously has now been very pronounced in other relativeness.

If you're using SMS, maybe this makes some sense. But we're not text messaging here. It's okay to use longer form writing on the forums. Sure, it can be less formal than if you're writing a legal document, but it doesn't have to be point-o-matic either.

The way I learned it in school (a long time ago ) was that specific thoughts should be in sentences. Related thoughts should be in paragraphs. This makes it very easy to follow what someone is saying. And contrary to what you're saying, I don't believe this has changed for things like forum posts and news articles.

It's interesting how texting and long form writing can exist at the same time in our modern world. I suggest this interesting video about the subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoF2vdLxsVQ

kadaz wrote:So what appears to be mix'd matched, is because it is broken-down in thought relevancy to induce conscientious projection. Hopefully you become more aware and pay attention more closely to what is being said.. I could even explain it in more simplest points, yet the whole post would lose any interest because of its seemly plain insight.

I don't want to be induced to have conscientious projection, thank you very much. I don't even know what it is.

I read everything very carefully. But I'm not in school here. I don't need to read what someone writes as if I'm going to be tested on it, and my future career depends on it. We're here to have some fun, that's all.

And quite on the contrary, if you explained things with simpler points your posts would actually become more interesting. Plain insight is actually quite attractive. Don't knock it!

kadaz wrote:Because either your not equipped morally or silenced because of being over-whelmed.

I'm sorry, but that's just condescending to say that. Even if it's true, it's condescending.

kadaz wrote:What it consists of is variable expressions that explain in point from, matters of truth, that try to relate to how others think, so it'd be encouraged to think positively about a situation or something being explained to them.

I totally agree with trying to think positively about situations. More people should do this!

Your "variable expressions" don't relate to how others think though. They apparently relate to how you think.

kadaz wrote:Now you got the catch..

In other words "now we understand". Barely.

kadaz wrote:yet for those that are a little lost at this point are the 'mind types' that object trying to deal closely
with an event.. I try to make it an open suggestion to speak clearly my mind, yet I often get thrown around in mind games and emotional trivia pursuits.

So I avoid that, and become an creative value point to express what it means to me, relativity.

Basically how it affect me..

It's great to say how things affect you! For instance, Hylis has always encouraged us to say our feelings behind suggestions, ideas, and even bug reports (why we think it's a bug). Because they can act more on the feelings and come up with a fitting solution, rather than just the idea we might have.

You still have to express your feeling in a way that others understand though, or else what's the point?

kadaz wrote:Anyways this is off-topic in the original topic.. so I posted a response to here just to give you can idea of what I mean, and if there be any questions, question freely, I do enjoy having discussions about things, related to shootmania/or not, and about openly expanding thoughts about other subjects, or eliminating some other dubious doubts.

Thanks for not going further offtopic there.
I quite enjoyed hearing your thoughts on the subject. It's the most I've seen you talk about it. Thanks!

Please regard anything I said as just my humble opinions on the subject. I certainly respect your right to speak and write the way you like. My only desire is to better understand everyone who posts to these forums.

I suggest you to read up on pragmatic linguistic, specifically "conversational maximes". Maybe then you would see why writing in such language in this forum is pointless. I think you would do better as a poet or something...I would enjoy reading such texts
Here just an excerpt from a paper about that: http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/publications/ ... arston.pdf

In developing an ecological account of human behaviour quite generally, Zipf emphasised the fundamental role played by a Principle of Least Effort: ‘the primary principle that governs our entire individual and collective behaviour of all sorts, including the behaviour of our language …’ (Zipf 1949: vii). In the realm of linguistic behaviour, he distinguished the opposing pressures exerted by the speaker’s and the hearer’s economies of effort, the one oriented toward minimal linguistic articulation, the other toward maximal explicitness. Martinet (1962) described a primary mechanism of language change as coming from the interaction of two factors: ‘first, the requirements of communication, the need for the speaker to convey his message, and second, the principle of least effort, which makes him restrict his output of energy, both mental
and physical, to the minimum compatible with achieving his ends.’ (Martinet 1962:
139).

Interesting reference HawkGer!

Thank you for your replies, I am quite interested in sharing the relevancy of issue being put forth here and allow you the time to consider such evaluations and weather or not it a subject of interest or relative relativity, meaning such that if your wanting to express it an a further point or not.. It is your choice..

For on point, in explanation.. I will try to alleviate any point of references of my contextual speaking to be talking out of hand. I'm not interested in regaining any further more indications to provide a recourse to a subject of relevancy on hand.

For some, your like, whaaa.. did all that mean..

I'll explain it further along.

I do not speak the way others speak, for point of understanding this.. the way people speak need to change..

If I subject myself to the consistency of how most people relate and talk in this 'world' today society concepts. I fall into the realm of allowing myself to go with the 'system' of things. And that is the norm to want to be different yet friends, accepted?

For instance if I accept the reality of what is and who was and where its being sent to.. things will become such.. likeness. See there is alot of disagreeable things in this world, mainly, and not objectively, people's emotions, mind, and how we relate with our natural phonical senses.

So how we relate to others in the building relationships comprises how we grow in being individuals. Like the old-saying goes.. who your friends with, is who you become, and how far.. So when you want change, how do you object yourself to remove yourself from the situation and find a way out? Self exploration?? Mind power?? Emotional sensitivity?? Physical awareness?? Well those are all heavy subjects, like many others.. yet to keep it simple.

What do you need?

Now I know that in trying to relate to others, in expression, I avoid in trying to get in their 'skin' yet remain myself and try to aid to help them understand my point of a view, which makes me interesting, see how creative I become.

IN thought of how I might write in forums, does not change how I write anywhere.. I write in all mannerism that explain the point of thought, I always speak from myself.. (not always happens) so remain an humanistical valued person. Who would hide me?

Of course.. using a term mentioned in a word 'reference' from Hawkger post.. Quite 'generally' doesn't work for me.. I like the detailed form.. yet in an matter of overseeing the generalities.. using an concept of preconception without any relevancy is the basics of a false reality. I can not relate to it.. So I don't go there. Now we have alot of influencing "projections" in which Eyebo, says, I don't want to be in induced.. yet you would allow it involuntary or voluntary? Or to know if it has happened already in the systematical approach to life or in the fundamental basic essentials of life.

Who you really are, just a few points to bring you home.

PS. I want to just skip the remark about the condescending part, yet I do need to mention. In my relativeness with others, I have only seen 1 of 2 points come true and the 3rd.. or is that person willing to play it straight with me.

eyebo wrote: I've even tried to tone down the number of big words I use in my posts, because I know a lot of people who read the forums are speaking English as a second language and may not know as many words as a native English speaker.

This is really important. Because most of the dev team's mother tongue is french, so if you want to be heard or understood, speak simple and clear.

Eyebo's posts are always very well done and a great pleasure to read ^_^

Fix wrote:

eyebo wrote:Eyebo's posts are always very well done and a great pleasure to read ^_^

Good post, I agree, yet it's not that I try to elaborate so profusely extra extraordinary.. ha, its just how I speak to just to get the point.. hopefully it sinks in, and if you articulate most of what's been written here and at TMX, I can be quite clear when stating facts.. to make point to end.. clears the air. Thanks for your feedback Fix, I recommend, or say, highly suggest, an update on the usage of the most commonly used language in the world.

I do my best, yet so likewise the topic post.. I thought maybe some of the remarks stating 'no-sense', were simple condescending put-downs, because of no later questioning.. meant they didn't like me, not mis-understood me..

If that been such the case, please forgive me for any mis-understandings mistakened. I meant to be heard clearly and loudly necessarily. If need be, I can also write to the point and very precise, yet that wouldn't be so amusingly interesting, because I like being different in creativity, it a trait of my uniqueness.. ugliness for those boys.

Yet fortunately that has not become annoying to me. Hopefully to you it does not either. Good Day.

Please try to find the best balance then, between good understanding and some degree of artistic writing, but don't overspan it - don't exaggerate it.
At first it is a bit odd, then strange, and soon annoying. And yes, then it becomes mislike after some time.

Too much writing, let me repeat my words, too much nonsense gibberish, really spoils the topics, where people are especially asking for clear and almost perfectly interpretable answers.

Only if you can dose it well, it is a nice distraction from all the day-by-day stuff here.
But it is definitely unnecessary and totally misplaced to write endless posts saying really nothing in every topic you are visiting.
If you have an opinion, please make it short and clear. Or there will definitely be misunderstandings.

If you only want to profile yourself with just your style of writing, sorry, but you're totally wrong here, then I urgently recommend you visit some literature forums instead, or to create your own forum

Please don't forget this is mostly a technical support forum, therefore it is not a training ground for chirography students