Trackmania 2 stadium wont be free?

[TMarc]

looks like we need just more antisceptics here

Strange thing, with the truth.
As you say, it is always a matter of perception, of the eye of the beholder.
But this is valid on both sides of the mirror!
The bad thing with people claiming the truth for themselves is that they always only reveal what they want you to believe, and that they distord all the rest.
So please don't mix up the "truth" with your own personal desire, whishes and observations
And your comparison is only a part of the "truth" about "better GFX", because you should also compare all the block models etc. So if you do a comparison, please do it completely.


It is true that ManiaPlanet is not finished, since it is only the beginning.
Please don't forget also TM1 was never perfect, it evolved a few times since its first release.
It is true that Canyon was put on hold for more than one year, apparently less finished than actually intended and as revealed just a few days ago.
It is true that there are still many bugs, issues, improvements to work on.

So where is actually the problem with the truth now?

It is wrong to think nothing is happening.
And it is wrong to separate only because of different perception.

Please be patient with Nadeo, please be patient with each other
And please help to improve

[Skeleton]

Well said TMarc

[rat_in_car]

How you can improve anything if you're so happy instead to be skeptical? When you hear someone playing the violin really bad, you can be nice and say that that person play excellent. But then - he never improve his skills because he start thinks that is master of violin. But a little suggestion that he is not so good but have the potential can improve his skills.

I like Canyon, I like TrackMania, but I'm not so delighted every time Ubisoft programmers write single line of code! I want to feel good with GOOD game, because I pay for that game. I don't want to make Nadeo/Ubi programmers happy by telling them they're so good - they get money from me, that's enough "supporting" from me. Moral support is not required, because after payment, direction of support changes - now they should support me by improving game and fixing bugs.

And for sure I'll not pay for the same game I already have, with the same textures etc. I'll wait for Valley.

[Fix]

rat_in_car :
To me, textures and what omnixor calls "gfx" are different things.
Maybe you can compare grass or dirt textures as well, they had to change because of the conversion, and they are not re-branding of previous adverts ?
Also, if you want to compare Graphical Effects (GFX ?), please shoot a movie of the same replay in max settings and do your 50-50 split-screen demonstration of "it hasn't changed ".

After, it's really up to you to like it or not.

This split screen comparison TMNF/TM²S should be used everytime someone wants to report a "I don't see changes, it was better before".
Because we need proofs :
proofs it's a bug or not
proofs it's a matter of taste
proofs it's an illusion of the mind.

Something went wrong or everything is as planned ?

[rat_in_car]

I'm trying to prove that new and old stadium looks the same (and that's my first impression when I saw TM2 Stadium and play few maps). I think that if you want to prove me wrong, you should show me that movie with differences. I made my screenshots, you can made yours and prove me wrong.

In fact, I believe that differences exists, but I think that is more because of new engine from Canyon than anything else. I can made some changes using nvidia advanced settings too, but that is not new game - that is cheating.

[targetbsp]

But... they haven't taken it back. Nations Forever is still free.

Trackmania 2 Stadium IS new...

Do you really think so? Do you? It is exactly the same old stadium (even with old physic bugs). I don't care if they did everything from scratch (which I doubt). All that matter is final result, and the result is some old environment with changed sound engine and things made shining like crazy.
And please, tell me more how stadium2 is free to play. Things are blocked, you have big button "BUY STADIUM" and every time you close the game, steam store page is waiting for you. Not annoying at all.

Someone asked if someone is doing some work for free. I have an answer: Valve does. All their DLC are free. Always were and I bet always will be. You want any specific example? Here you have one: Portal 2. The funny thing is, it's one of the best games and yet it costs only 16€. Hell, Valve didn't decided to cut the game into chapters for 20€ each (so the actual price of the game is not multiplied by number of parts). They did opposite - they even do all future DLCs for free. And everyone know it. Somehow Valve is doing good, isn't it?

But if you think it's exactly the same game, then why do you even care? Just play the old Nations one. It's still there.

No-one is making you play the new one but you. And if you *do* want to play the new one so much, it's probably worth paying for.

As an aside, considering Valve take a cut of everyone elses game sales (as their distributor) - they can afford to give their stuff away.

[Ozon]

I'm trying to prove that new and old stadium looks the same (and that's my first impression when I saw TM2 Stadium and play few maps). I think that if you want to prove me wrong, you should show me that movie with differences. I made my screenshots, you can made yours and prove me wrong.

In fact, I believe that differences exists, but I think that is more because of new engine from Canyon than anything else. I can made some changes using nvidia advanced settings too, but that is not new game - that is cheating.

Lol why dont you just install a mod, then???

shortz made a difference video on youtube. Search for it (writing from a mobile)

[Fix]

well, we agree then.
Stadium graphical datas are almost the same , injected in the "Canyon" engine (with more than Canyon actually ^_^ : with the Storm engine skies).

[targetbsp]

The sky is stunning compared to the old one.

[Exarkon]

While I perfectly understand that the new Stadium costs some money, I don't really understand the difference between the free and the paid version.

What do I get when I pay for TM2 Stadium? More single player maps? More options in multiplayer? Is there some side-by-side comparison somewhere?

Also, does the fact that I already own Canyon change anything?