ManiaPub: a simplier version, for now

[lanta91]

Seems quite useless now.

Why do you say "useless"? Is it because of the audience on that page? Or the lack of targetting for shootmania users? Or something else? I'm interested in hearing your (constructive) feedback.


It's obviously not as efficient as Google AdWords ( ), but with a few dozen planets a day you can still get a nice coverage.

First of all, if I plan an ad on ManiaPlanet it's because I want people to look at my news from ManiaPress and to know my site. ShootMania.it is already on ManiaPress and will be the same for TrackMania2.it, QuestMania.it and ManiaPlanet.it.

Before people could see my ad when entering the game, and that was perfect. Everyone must open the home page, that was the perfect place to advertise and get new users. New italian players in the past looked at the italian flag in the ads and just clicked to get infos.
Now? I think noone is going to enter the new "manialink browser": I'm the first. I didn't even knew of this section before this post. I thought ManiaPub was completely removed.

[gouxim]

Before people could see my ad when entering the game, and that was perfect.

It was a nice experiment, but we removed the ManiaHome Station precisely because it was not perfect, at all. That current version is not perfect either, but as I said it will help going towards a better system for ManiaPub.

I think noone is going to enter the new "manialink browser"

You "think" that, but you don't "know" that (it's seen a few dozen thousand times a day right now). It's not be the most visible place, but at least it a place where people can engage more easilly, so it's nicer for experimenting efficiently with those topics. I suggest you create a campaign and compare the Click Through Rates with campaigns on the maniahome station.

First of all, if I plan an ad on ManiaPlanet it's because I want people to look at my news from ManiaPress and to know my site.

You say you want people to know you're site. If you create an ad, you will have a certain amout of people coming to your site thanks to this ad. If you refuse to create one, that number will be "0". So then again, why don't you want to create an ad?




It's the same with every topic in the beta: it can be frustrating because things change, and we're sorry about that. It's the whole point of a (real) beta. Please have confidence that we do all that with the goal to make a better game.

UGC is ****obivously**** a very important topic for Nadeo, and ManiaPub is part of that. Eventually it will be great, but as I said earlier Rome wasn't built in a day. I really suggest you to create a campaign, use maniapub and give constructive feedback. Even if you don't have millions of people coming from you ad, your experience and your feedback will be beneficial for ManiaPub on the long run.

[kripkee]

hmmm.. just an easy suggestion for you.
Why you don't add a 3x2 or 2x3 banner places in the maniahome instead of "only" one. This could make this maybe more interest for poeple, who are new or forget the name of the manialink which they like, because they don't know or understand to add some Manialinks to the favorites^^

Edit:
next suggestion,
Why you (nadeo) want not to make a easy list with manialink in the past of TMUF ?^^

[gouxim]

Why you don't add a 3x2 or 2x3 banner places in the maniahome instead of "only" one.

Putting one banner took me something like 30 minutes (5 minutes of implementation because the code was already existing and 25 minutes of random other stuff like deployment, testing, etc.). It was a very quick fix, because what I really needed to do was disabling the former maniahome application and the application that was displaying ads in canyon. I couldn't afford at that time to spend more time to develop someting to display several banners.

It's really not about lack of ideas. ManiaPub is probably one of my personnal favorite project (it's my little baby if you want ). But right now it's not the absolute priority of our very small team.

Why you (nadeo) want not to make a easy list with manialink in the past of TMUF ?^^

Im not sure I understand? You mean something like Manialink:Home in TMF a few years back with a list of links?

[kripkee]

It's really not about lack of ideas. ManiaPub is probably one of my personnal favorite project (it's my little baby if you want ). But right now it's not the absolute priority of our very small team.

ok, I understand^^

Why you (nadeo) want not to make a easy list with manialink in the past of TMUF ?^^

Im not sure I understand? You mean something like Manialink:Home in TMF a few years back with a list of links?

yes, or more like "R-link" in TMF now. I talk about a "classic" list which sections like tracks, skins, horns, and so on.

[gouxim]

yes, or more like "R-link" in TMF now. I talk about a "classic" list which sections like tracks, skins, horns, and so on.

To make it short: because maintaining, moderating, etc. that list is a lot of work, and because sorting that list is an impossible job if you want to make it fair.

I put "sort" in bold, just like earlier, because if i had to summarize this discussion into two "key issues" i would say moderation and sorting.

[Hylis]

I was writing that the former directory was unfair. It worked for players that were well placed, and even inactive players were still on top of all this because of the way it was done. And how would you really measure inactive etc.

We have other priorities at the moment than advertising, since there are features for the games themselves to be done. Thanks to the plug in system that we have developed, like the buddy and real time chat one, (for people who would think that we are not adding features) it will be easier to advertise well and in many places later. Let's say it has to arrive after the games and some other stuff are done. But it is one of the major element of the system, like advertising is for internet.

[kripkee]

yes, or more like "R-link" in TMF now. I talk about a "classic" list which sections like tracks, skins, horns, and so on.

To make it short: because maintaining, moderating, etc. that list is a lot of work, and because sorting that list is an impossible job if you want to make it fair.

I put "sort" in bold, just like earlier, because if i had to summarize this discussion into two "key issues" i would say moderation and sorting.

Well, I don't want "complain", I ask only. I don't know how much work this is, but it "worked" in the past with manialink:home in TMF. Nobody said that you make this job alone and nobody said that you have to check invalid manialinks every day.. but I don't know, was just a question^^

[gouxim]

Well, I don't want "complain", I ask only. I don't know how much work this is, but it "worked" in the past with manialink:home in TMF. Nobody said that you make this job alone and nobody said that you have to check invalid manialinks every day.. but I don't know, was just a question^^

No problem, i am just answering as precisely as possible because those are tricky questions (and also i'm trying to aswner fast because i have so much work to do right now ). But having such debates with constructive people is important, and that's why we take time to answer.

It's funny you say it "worked". IMO it did not for the following reasons (and some others):
* The first of the list as a monopoly, and has WAYYYYYYYYYYYY more coppers than everyone else. (when I say way, i mean way way way way)
* Bro-bro-bro-ken links everywhere
* Legal issues
* Not very fun to use: text links, hello 1995, do you have you're pager in your pocket?




I'm having fun with my message, but you get my point: why take time and make something not optimal and that hasn't *really* worked before when you can wait a little bit and build something cool, innovative, and efficient?

[kripkee]

It's funny you say it "worked". IMO it did not for the following reasons (and some others)

Well.. the most manialinks will show you a 404 message or some tons of other errors, but the list itself worked. If someone want a skin, then you go to the links "skins" and so on. The "coppers" itself has no really a "value" like now. You can donate them, buy some stuff on manialinks, playing solomode (TMUF) or play manialoto^^ I don't have to count this, you know it^^

* The first of the list as a monopoly, and has WAYYYYYYYYYYYY more coppers than everyone else. (when I say way, i mean way way way way)

ok, but the question, what can do a player with more Coppers or Planets, I have 500k+ Planets and 300+k Coppers, I could say, "I'm rich" but the question behind this, what is rich?^^ I'm wasting my Coppers for competitions in TMNF or trade them for planets. This maybe "useful" sense of this system, but I don't know if this a goal from nadeo to trade Coppers for Planets or Planets for Coppers^^. You talk about "much", but how "much" is much? I could open some 90k servers, but if I need a 90k server?^^

I understand too, that everyone should have a balance of planets (the balance of coppers is not very important anymore, Maniaplanet ftw :p ), but you allow us to earn this planets with server or manialinks.

* Bro-bro-bro-ken links everywhere

We have some kind of "teams" like Laddermods or Freezone mods, maybe you open "manialink mods" or something like that :p

* Legal issues

I know these nice guys who downloaded some skins from carpark and upload it with a 08/15 cms manialink as their stuff, same for mods, horns and whatever..^^

* Not very fun to use: text links, hello 1995, do you have you're pager in your pocket?

Well, I use for my linklist 2 lines to add a manialink like:
url: hylisml
name: Hylis

for the links you use a quad which have a mouseover effect and show the text with a label ..^^

I'm having fun with my message, but you get my point: why take time and make something not optimal and that hasn't *really* worked before when you can wait a little bit and build something cool, innovative, and efficient?

I can wait, but the maniahome station was in my opinion a nice work, which was removed because nobody knows (?) and Maniapub in TMF is still a nice work too, which was not continued of obviously reasons - Maniaplanet