Tomei wrote:I completely understand where you are coming from on the issue of track builders and custom cam views, BUT, and its a huge but, the majority of players do not understand this. An example is the full speed server I was playing on today. Complaint after complaint from players (especially cam 2 drivers) saying at the start of each map "gla lets hope this map is drivable" more often than not a minute or two into the map a pop up on screen such'n'such player requesting vote to change to another map.
You may say "goodbye" or "if you don't like it leave" but those where the same comments fired at those who said negative things about Canyon, and people DID leave! You want the same for Stadium 2? That people leave? I say no. I say either fix it, or make it known to ALL players what the problem is because as it stands right now, most players think its a problem with the game itself.
On more friendly approach, i would say that is the problem with server owner/administrator in choosing maps, or, if server allows players to add, then, it is not up to administrators/owners. While game is still in beta phase, it is great opportunity for this to test and see effect, as you already saw from your perspective.
I think TM is type of game you ether really like, or not, as this, i didn't liked Canyon from the start, and i don't like it now, it is fun game tho, but not type of game that will hold my attention.
Tomei wrote:Example was one comment today: "Its a BETA guys relax, Nadeo will fix the cam issues with an update soon" This comment in game was met with "I hope they fix it soon" from many players. So what happens when it not fixed because its a result of TM1 maps converted to TM2? How many players are going to stick around when to them, the game appears broken, or at the very least not like TMNF that their use too playing? Just tell them either like it or leave? Not good.
That is a bit hard to assume i think, if i was NADEO, i would make completely incompatible TM1 and TM2 tracks, so players would have nothing to complain about. On the other hand, this approach NADEO did, is more fair towards players and game itself, and "bugs" or small incompatibility is expected at least, that's why, players like you and many others are here, to point out at those problems.
Tomei wrote:For myself I have been a cam 2 driver for years. I am finding it extremely difficult getting use to this camera angle. I honestly don't know if I'll ever get use to it, but I am trying. But I have been playing TM for years and I LOVE this game with a passion, it is the ONLY game installed on my computer, and it is the ONLY game I play every day. I payed for Canyon and played it for many months daily. My clan started a Canyon server and over time we lost members and eventually our server died for lack of use.
I've been a cam2 player always, not only in TM, but in any arcade racing game except simulations (rFactor). For getting used to "new cam2" (same cam really...), i didn't find it difficult to get used to it, even more, i found it extremely pleasant to play with it, and easier for that matter, even, i have feeling i do better with this cam2 than with the old one. Here is the thing, new cam2 gives to the player (at least me) more sense of speed, i didn't played TMF for longer period of time, so that might have some influence on "fast adoption" to the new one, and when i go back to TMF, and play stadium env, it just feels slow and "non-natural". So, as you can see from your text, and what i wrote, that is all subjective perception, and it is not objective to assume that majority of players feels the way one feel change (no matter if is you, or me). I LOVE new stadium env., and i see only positive change in it, when i read topics here, i sort of understand your and other players point. But here is the thing, if TM started with that cam in the first place, you would complain about new (old) cam2 now (if they did it reverse, just try to imagine). I guess, what I'm trying to say, is that problem is in you (or me) for that matter, not the game itself.
Tomei wrote:Please don't say "goodbye" or "leave" to people. Even if they complain. They complain because they want to love the game and play it having fun. I can tell you from the comments I have seen on servers in game, a LOT of people are not having fun with the cam views. Myself included. Should I just leave and go back to TMNF?
No, i don't think so, you should do what you did, present your opinion here. I agree with those players that NADEO should add cam4 for example (old cam2) if is not that hard, just to show you and other players who complain at this time, that after some time, you will catch yourself playing with new cam2, and actually enjoy it more then the old one. I really believe in this.
On the other hand, I'm not competitive player, so those slight changes do not affect me at all, but, just because of that, i think that i can adopt faster and see that new cam2 will be better for any player who give it a try (long enough). Because you, or many pro players, are so deep into the game, you don't play on feeling anymore, but on routine, and that's why you have problems to adopt, but once you do, you will see how much better new cam actually is. That's subjective, and i do believe in that.
