Stadium eSport Development

[jonthekiller]

Competitions must belong to the community and event organizers and not to the publisher of the game.

What do Riot and Blizzard is bad for the eSports for the long term because if they stop overnight, everything will be finished on their games. The editor should be there to help the community and this does not necessarily by money, but for example the tools in and around the game, help to find contacts ...

The money is not going to change the eSports in the right direction, it's the development of the amateur side as it was for other sports.


The relay is an important feature and should not be removed. The casters can not follow everything and this will offer for competitions the multiplex for example.

[TheM]

No i think you misunderstood me. They can choose great maps (like the one for the GA). But currently, event organizers are not using between them the same maps which results in too many maps on a short time slot. If you take SC2, Blizzard provides a big packman and then even organizers are free to use them or not. If you look at it closely, almost every tournaments uses the same maps. And the frequency is neither too high nor too low to make the game interesting.

This was what i mean

To put it in word : Nadeo should help to provide a more federated game for competitions.

I think it is possible to do this between the organizers of tournaments, without NADEO having to interfere in this.
Take for example the common Elite mappack for ManiaActu/Drakonia, ESL and IPL: http://mania-actu.com/eng/staticpages/v ... ia_Mappack

[TheM]

@TheM : I agree that this could be done without Nadeo, but the federation has been dissucussed for how long now ? Things has just started to move and still it does not give you the certainty that if a new organizer comes, he will follow the other. Unless there is enough weight to "force" them to use the same mappack like the other.

You can't create such weight (pressure ?), as an organizer is free to use any map they like.

[w1lla]

Try to use the playerpage to see statistics about maps.

also i think Main Tournaments should register for Competions:

https://player.maniaplanet.com/competitions/

It can even be official so gl hf all

[TheM]

@TheM : I will put it differently : Why then most organizers are using official maps select by Blizzard ? It is possible to use custom maps, but you have a pre-selection of "the best" maps. If only Nadeo says that there is an "official" mappack then most of the event organizers would follow it (as a base, as they wont need to find maps, etc).

Maybe, don't know if it would work in this community, though...

[Omnixor]

imho, trackmania is way too basic game to have a fixed mappack...

[Romain42]

Calaagree, about the maps, there was no misunderstanding actually. You want to rule them and to force (it's what you wrote, right?) the tournaments organizers to use standard mappacks. They want to keep their freedom. Pretty irreconciliable points of view.

I'm not against having common mappacks with other tournaments and it can be pretty practical sometimes. But this should be only on a voluntary basis.

And as i said above, having standard mappacks would be a dramatic loss of diversity, for a game of which the diversity is the whole point...

when you are streaming and you see people coming on your chat saying : "is there a relay?" then this does not help you to continue.

Maybe they just don't know that streams exist, and you should probably not be that disappointed. You can't have the whole community aware of what you do, whether or not your communication/advertising is good. But maybe it shows you can improve your communication.

Maybe, as well, they don't like streams because of several reasons. Have you ever tried to watch a stream through a very poor connexion? Also, some players might prefer to have only the match, without the comments. For instance, it's not really interesting to have the comments in a language you don't understand, and not everybody speaks english (or french, german, or any). When you come on a relay, you can chose as well which player you watch/follow, which might be a crucial feature if you are clearly a supporter of a specific player. And you have often better graphics on your own PC than on a stream that has its own quality, often not that good. The attendance might also think the comments are not interesting, that's probably the harsher thing to realize (but of course it's pretty much dependant on how well the sportscaster expresses, and his culture - which means not everybody can do the job).

If a match is really important then it would be streamed. It is not that difficult to find streamers. Again, relays are restricting the number of viewers, and then the number of potential "new" viewers (as lives are often dead because everybody goes on the relay).

On another hand, relays are accessible from the game and could bring casual or roockie players to discover the eSport world. Just because they have seen a strange server, they were curious and they watched what happened there. It will probably not happen with a stream which is often really hard to reach if you don't have a direct link or if you are not used to browse the right websites.

I think something like a radio could be really relevant as well. With a radio, you can combine the comments with all the advantages of the relay, having both running at the same time. A radio will be less impacted by poor connexions too i think, because there is less information to transmit. Of course, it's less interesting for those who didn't buy the game and would like to watch pictures.

All in all, i think there is not a perfect system that supplants all the others, that's why all should have their chances to succeed and attendees will decide which form they prefer. Thus i believe we shouldn't restrict the options, and restricting an option will not make the opposite one win as much as we lose on the other hand, whatever option we restrict.

[infarctus]

Do not remove the relays...

Forcing people to watch a stream to get viewers is a bit strange imo...If you want to block the game acces to users and force them to watch your stream to get more money, then you just have to convince the 2 teams to not set a relay, that's all. But giving people more choice si a good human behave. Force them to do something for your personnal interest...No please, too much people have died becasue of that behave.

And john is right. It is simply impossible to stream every event, and finding streamers is not that easy.

And to be honest, about all the streams that i saw on maniaplanet games...The shoutcaster is useless. I mean, maniaplanet games are all about simplicity and easy understandable. Hearing him describing what i see is useless, and give me the feeling that the shoutcaster think that i'm either blind or stupid. They should do like tennis or table tennis. Give informations about players, teams and technical things, but stay quiet during action...I really don't get why they always speak and speak and speak all the time with the fear of giving us some quiet times, that would be much apreciated.

[Miraculix123]

Relay option should stay, I agree with the more options you have, the better.

When it comes to maps,

Maps follows a trend and mappers learn from eachother by seeing and experience new ways of combining the blocks.
The beauty of this game is the variety and mix of tracks you can get. Nadeo tracks already have their own tournaments and some players really love to just play those tracks.

But for most parts of the community, new fresh tracks from different mappers are what makes the game what it is and brings alot of joy to the game. The organizers should have the variety to chose from.

I think spectator mode can be improved alot, First of all, there would be good to have more angles and better visualeffects, like drifttrails. If you are a cam 3 driver you can spec and learn from others, if you are a cam 1 driver you can see the wiew in cam 1 wiew. However if you are a cam 2 driver you get a mix of cam 1 and something else.
Cam 2 in spectatemode would be a great add. Of course combined with other tools, angles and visual effects to boost the experience of watching others compete and practise.

[Romain42]

Romain42,

Here is the link to create a competition: https://player.maniaplanet.com/competitions/
we have work to do to support, educate and make that everything works fine, but that's the principle

Well, i planned a tournament since few weeks and now it's ready. Unfortunately, the "competition" ingame tool disappeared, or maybe it is just elsewhere. I can still access my competition through the Player Page (the link you mentionned), but all the competitions disappeared ingame. Maybe i missed a news, could someone tell me?



I can understand you are working a lot on Maniaplanet nowadays and it's probably normal to have frequent updates, but we need a stable environment to organize competitions. How do we do if everything is supposed to disappear suddenly? (Don't get me wrong, it's not intended to be offensive, i just wanted to explain a need here )

EDIT: if i click the "browse the competition directly in game" link in the player page (maniaplanet:///:competitions), i get an error in Maniaplanet (View not found: CompetitiveGaming\Views\Competitions\_Filter)