MAPS FOR ESWC

[TORAKI]

im speaking in the most polite way here no need to offend, you said 10 mins ago you don't take this personal.. well

I was mostly aiming for the other guy, who was being really really rude.. But still, telling someone delete a whole map while having put hours of work into it is not quite polite.
You can however give me some constructive feedback which could be helpful, for example creating more hiding spaces and walls for the defenders on mindcontrol.

i gave you all the hint i could , and telling you it has to be redone it's not wrong in my opinion and it's not something bad, if i fail at making something , i make it again with more passion and energy to reach the best way , nobody said "hey you suck get the fuck out" ; we are just stating that the map is bad/random no big deal, get to work and make another keeping that in mind, LEARN from mistake , nobody wake up being the best in something , you gotta work your way to it

[evlish]

Well i can fairly say that after ESWC, this game is done.

[Sephis]

Well i can fairly say that after ESWC, this game is done.

Will it survive that long ?

[quako]

Hello, hihihihi, shitty mappool

Seriously, when the fuck nadeo will trust us about competitive map.
"Assaulting him with cake", JUST the name is hilarious and the map is really bad.. And ricochet aswell..
I think, you have to trust in kryw, he's making a mappool and a lot of players are ok for this..

[evlish]

And cut the crap would you, you are saying that ESWC have - on their own - added a mappack that noone knows, not even them ?
We all know you (Nadeo) sent it over to them, so pretty sure you can change it.

Do what you got to do to re-establish a decent mappool, and do it right

This ain't an order obviously (who am i to do that) but a request from all the community as small it is.

When is Hylis going to answer btw ?

[51chicken]

Oh sorry tokari, I said something before in this thread about camping aswell, I should have showed you this. Also, I'm not taking anything posted here personally so don't worry about that. Thanks for mentioning it though.

How can the defenders not "camp" when the objective of the defence team is to defend the pole? Are you expecting them to just go around jumping like rabbits and firing blue balls at the attacker?

You have to have this playstyle if you want to win and at the end of the day the competitive scene of SM plays to win, even with these ridiculous lolhueg maps you will see "camping" because it's what works. In fact what's funny is that you will see even more "camping" on the new ones and I don't even need to explain why.

You've no grills on your maps, it's cool, I don't like grill but I already find 3 safe/close pos near the Pole on MindBlowing where player can "camp".
then, 50% of your map is useless.

I did not mean to get rid of camping completely, ofcourse there gotta be plently of walls to hide behind, and a variation of more stuff. When I said camping I was more thinking of when a defender would just stick to one position for the whole round, or just sticking to the pole until the time runs out. I have seen this happen even more than I expected when watching a stream. As you've probably already seen on Mindcontrol I used the thin black lights around the pole. These will only cover a defenders feet and small part of its legs, making themselves vulnerable if they try to hide behind it.

Also.. Since so many of you are complaining I was thinking of maybe trimming down both Mindcontrol and Assaulting, since I have to agree with you they're both quite big.

On mindcontrol
my idea is to remove the general area around the arrowpad, since it's indeed going to be kind of useless.
Also, you have been complaining about the roof around the pole area, and I can see why this would be a bit silly to watch from above while watching a stream. So maybe removing that roof?
And maybe providing a bit more cover for the defenders.

On Assaulting them with cake
Trim down some parts behind the the defender spawn, some other parts on the right and left side. Just generally reducing the size of the map a bit. click here for a screenshot of the areas I'd like to remove. (areas circled red)

What do you think? And if you have any more suggestions to improve both maps, don't hesitate to tell me,I'd love to hear them. (instead of all the hating comments, they're getting a bit depressing and will get you nowhere.)

Mindcontrol the right side for an attacker is useless besides the jump pad (which is probably not even wise to use as it's predictable from that far out), I can't really say much good about this map.

Assaulting them with cake is mostly too big towards the attacker side IMO. I think with the changes to the latest version's reload times, "camping" becomes that much more important because if you get caught out attackers can easily kill multiple people now, making defenders play even more defensive and nobody is going to risk pushing out that far just to be "assaulted with cake". Overall, I like cake, I like the geometry, especially triangular ground formations.

Ricochet is the other one that you might as well just send all 3 to the pole and all spew rockets everywhere when the attacker comes in and watch 12 rockets all bounce around for second-third chance hits.

As always, thank you for your time/effort in making maps, whether we like them or not, most of us won't ever bother making a map so they should criticize with respect.

However, whoever is responsible for the ESWC maplist needs to crawl out of the woodwork and accept responsibility and work with competitive players for a REAL maplist. This is huge joke and while a lot of us have been getting together over the last couple weeks testing all sorts of new maps in anticipation of ESWC, we're all scratching our heads at the list that was chosen, seems like somebody just threw darts at a wall of maps and decided not to even bother seeing what teams thought of them.

[TORAKI]

And cut the crap would you, you are saying that ESWC have - on their own - added a mappack that noone knows, not even them ?
We all know you (Nadeo) sent it over to them, so pretty sure you can change it.

Do what you got to do to re-establish a decent mappool, and do it right

This ain't an order obviously (who am i to do that) but a request from all the community as small it is.

When is Hylis going to answer btw ?

hylis gonna be away like a month, he goin on holydays gonna be back in september

[dreammyw0w]

BAS, do you wanna rage? Okay lets go.

First of all : Who are you? Why are you better than other map makers???? Even if ur map took 10000years to build.
All the mapmakers should get an EQUAL chance to have their map selected.

So , thanks to mania-actu we have dedicated maptesters that test over 100maps every 3months and it taaaaakes so much time( like your time , making ur map)... After that we make a POLL & the entire community votes.
This is the fairest solution ever.
(also , every person, can help us during the test-phase. All you need to do is contact one of the official maptesters)

So , again , why should this process not be done for the BIGGEST, MOST IMPORTANT EVENT of the year with the most money & best prizes.
This process should be done a loooong time ago, but nobody knew because we all thought that the ESWC maps were going to be the current official mappool. ( which is suuuuuper logical. )

So instead of calling us all little fuckers ( or whatever you said ) you should look at urself! Ur selfish and the only reason u think ur map is good ( and why you are on this forums ) is because u made the map yourself.

Im sick of this decision-making by NADEO or whoever that took the decisions.
Why is there even a discussion going on. Its clear as daylight that it should be :

OPTION 1:
Current mappool.

OPTION 2:
Lets make a POLL NOW. ( or preferably yesterday )


Djeezes.


PS : if a thread gets 100replies and 95% tells ur map is bad, then pls just believe us.
Maybe your map is good for SM, but not for the competitive scene. Now get over it.


/rage

[oBZZ]

SHIT MAPS! Before you guys even release things make sure they get tested! Alot of maps made of noobs who aint shit on elite...

[PapyChampy]

I'm open to all suggestions for a new maplist, but so far the proposals are not up to what ESWC asked for.

Rust may be a good map but is far from being good looking. (And yeah, that matters.)

And frankly, by reading most posts : chill out. You clearly don't understand the creative process behind maps.