Is the Valley car French ??

[shadi_3205]

Btw - will be interesting if you feel the same about Valley in a year or two (insanely boring and repetative) ??

Heh, I felt this after about a week or two after Canyon's release. I never really got into it except for trial-ish maps, the constantly sliding is not really my thing.
Stadium's tech somehow feels better and more deep (even though I'm not really a stadium player either) while Canyon's sliding feels boring.
Comes down to opinion again anyway.

Thx for your views TYGoshi .. you are correct as we all have the right to choose for ourselves what best suits our personnal desire whether it be fullspeed , speedtech , tech , offroad , etc , etc within these games..

@Tmarc - ty for your imput also..

And knowing well real French cars ( I can tell you, as I have one ) Valley car is definitely not French except its creators (Nadeo) is

What !!!!!! a German driving a French car ?? insane..

I had several ideas for a topic post and thought this to catch attention more so than something like - "Hey - whats your feelings on Valley handling ??"
Thanx again , no hard feelings intended..

hey steve i beat you in valley and now i'm number 1 in asia (valley)

[banskel]

In my opinion canyon and stadium is more fun because there are servers with awesome wall rides and
loop maps while in valley there are almost only boring flat maps with very little wall ride and loops maps.
Also vally handling is hard.

[stevenamtaan]

hey steve i beat you in valley and now i'm number 1 in asia (valley)

Hhhmmmm ... have no idea as to what relevance this is to the topic shadi but then good for you..
Atm - 10.22 am there are a total of 16 players worldwide on 5 servers and thats why I haven't bothered playing online now for 3 weeks .. ..So your 1st of 246 players of Asis's 4 billion (4,000,000,000) inhabitants. Not that many people in Asia ever heard about TM..

In my opinion canyon and stadium is more fun because there are servers with awesome wall rides and
loop maps while in valley there are almost only boring flat maps with very little wall ride and loops maps.
Also vally handling is hard.

Thx banskel for for views and comments.
Thats what I miss also in Valley - the "fun" and excitement of loops and wallrides - this is a major fun factor for many TM drivers. Canyon's wallride/loop physics were not the best but you still had a greater control of the handling than for Valley wallrides/loops..

[shadi_3205]

hey steve i beat you in valley and now i'm number 1 in asia (valley)

Hhhmmmm ... have no idea as to what relevance this is to the topic shadi but then good for you..
Atm - 10.22 am there are a total of 16 players worldwide on 5 servers and thats why I haven't bothered playing online now for 3 weeks .. ..So your 1st of 246 players of Asis's 4 billion (4,000,000,000) inhabitants. Not that many people in Asia ever heard about TM..

In my opinion canyon and stadium is more fun because there are servers with awesome wall rides and
loop maps while in valley there are almost only boring flat maps with very little wall ride and loops maps.
Also vally handling is hard.

Thx banskel for for views and comments.
Thats what I miss also in Valley - the "fun" and excitement of loops and wallrides - this is a major fun factor for many TM drivers. Canyon's wallride/loop physics were not the best but you still had a greater control of the handling than for Valley wallrides/loops..

woops something messed up with my ladder i'm 2nd i asia

[Romain42]

Did Nadeo - after boasting 5 years of development - actually study how 'rally type' cars actually handle on offroad/grass/asphalt surfaces ??

TM is not a simracing game!!! TM allways had a kind of crazy physics and it's part of its identity. If you want to experience real rally sensations, you should better buy Richard Burns Rally or install a decent Rally mod in a classic simracing game.

1. The car is basically floating on dirt/offroad areas with very little control - frustrating ..

Well, i'm not a rally driver, but it seems real rally cars are rather more likely to lose grip or have little control on dirt or offroad, than asphalt. And we see lots of rally drivers swerving on dirt, often a bit more than wished... Maybe the real cars aren't that sensible but it would be consistent with the use of TM: each environment is based on an exaggeration of an aspect of the physics, like the swaying movement of the desert car, or the kart-like physics of rally and island. To me, such a physic would be irrelevant in a simracing game, but it deserves its place in TM.

3. The car handles poorly when in contact with grass unless perhaps a straight line .. ppffff ..

Maybe that's why we invented tarmac.

4. Poor drifting ability on asphalt .. basicically not advised ..

Again, i really doubt sliding is advised on asphalt, generally, except for hairpins. And even for hairpins, cars are sometimes that few likely to slide, that drivers have to use the handbrake. Right? Maybe the drift is trickier in TM than in the real life (i'm not sure, never tried to drift for true)... But again, as i described above, TM is nearly allways based on an exaggeration of the reality, hence it doesn't shock me. I think it's not a matter of realism but a matter of fun: probably you like to slide and to control the slide. And you are frustrated because Valley's slide is not intended to be easily mastered.

5. Wallrides are generally a waste of time .. virtually no control whatsoever ..

I really doubt a "real" car would have a great hability for wallrides... At most, they can manage some bankings like in some North American ovals, but hardly more. But i understand how it can bother/frustrate those who like those stuff in maps, although it's definitely among the most irrealistic things you can make in TM.

Autodrift (which does slow you) like in Coast might add some more depth though, but I don't think there's need for that since it would take away many possibilities for fullspeed maps.

Island had the "autodrift" too and it was THE environment for fullspeed maps. Coast doesn't fit to fullspeed maps because the car can't drive a turn at a high speed, whether or not you slide.

You can drift a bit with the Valley car, but it loses lot of speed very much

The loss of speed isn't necessary an inconvenient: you can use it instead of brakes, since the Valleycar's brakes are definitely poor. It works pretty well when you face a sharp turn after a long and fast straightline, but it's often even more efficient to drive a wall-hit in those cases. Anyway, i shows the noslide option is not allways the best.

And knowing well real French cars ( I can tell you, as I have one ) Valley car is definitely not French except its creators (Nadeo) is

I think he said French to mean poor, this is a kind of French-bashing we are rather used to now. But indeed, if he knows something about rally, he should know French cars do pretty well since a decade... And also road cars have a good roadholding.

In my opinion canyon and stadium is more fun because there are servers with awesome wall rides and
loop maps while in valley there are almost only boring flat maps with very little wall ride and loops maps.
Also vally handling is hard.

It depends what you are looking for while playing TM. I used to play tech maps and i can assure you that i definitely prefer Valley to Canyon (the latter doesn't really fit tech maps, unfortunately).

[Demented]

I didn't read into any of the comment here as "French Bashing". Bashing of Any Nation or Person is really not cool and these games and forums are not intended for that kind of thing.
I could be wrong but, my interpretation of the "French" reference was that he thought the cars looks were based on a French vehicle.

[Romain42]

I know this expression is used in some context. But maybe it wasn't intended to be offensive, indeed.

[TMarc]

well, most of the introduction post is somehow negative,
and the author willingly took the word "French", so it was certainly intended to be offending or at least agitating.
We better wait for a explication from the thread author

[edk]

My only problem with Valley is not having enough time to play it more.

I think that handling issues would all be resolved with more playtime. There is no substitute for experience and games with depth require some time to master.

[stevenamtaan]

Thanx to Romain42 for sharing your views and comments.

I will attempt to clarify things a little so as to not have any misunderstandings.

At no time were my intentions to create any bias against any Nation. Using the term "French" was due to the simple fact that Nadeo (the creators and developers) are French.

I had several ideas for a topic post and thought this to catch attention more so than something like - "Hey - whats your feelings on Valley handling ??"

My intentions for this post are not meant to create any conflict or tensions, just to try and get a broader view and understanding of how other players/drivers feel in regards to Valley's handling.

The following statement has been a complete misinterpretation....

I think he said French to mean poor, this is a kind of French-bashing we are rather used to now. But indeed, if he knows something about rally, he should know French cars do pretty well since a decade... And also road cars have a good roadholding.

At no point have I said that "French" cars are not good and there is no reference in my statements to "French Bashing". If I was to mention something in regards to the "Canyon" car being American would this be bias or bashing "Americans" ?? I hope you can understand.

I am in no way trying to compare Valley with a "sim racer" or any other racing game such as "DiRT" or "RBR". I am fully aware that TM2 is its own unique game with its own unique characteristics and qualities.

The envi itself is realistic more than enough (it is a game) - looks beaut with nice hills , trees , grass , cornfields , barns , farm houses , wind turbines ,etc and then theres all the building/road surfaces. I like most of the cars handling and totally agree about a "little adjustment of the drifting abilities" especially for tarmac/asphalt , offroad/dirt and grass. I usually find that it takes about 2 - 3 times longer to set a reasonable time in Valley as i'm hitting the 'RESTART" more often than the other envi's. It is no easy task , i'm sure , to try and satisfy all desired levels. Some might say that if there were adjustments to the handling it would be just like Canyon ..

When I use the term "realistic" I am trying to give a more "broader feeling" and not meaning that this game should be more "real".

I really doubt a "real" car would have a great ability for wallrides... At most, they can manage some bankings like in some North American ovals, but hardly more. But i understand how it can bother/frustrate those who like those stuff in maps, although it's definitely among the most irrealistic things you can make in TM.

Thats what I miss also in Valley - the "fun" and excitement of loops and wallrides - this is a major fun factor for many TM drivers. Canyon's wallride/loop physics were not the best but you still had a greater control of the handling than for Valley wallrides/loops..

Its important to understand that sometimes there can be misunderstandings/misinterpretations perhaps due to the ways in which my expression/s in English (my native language) comes across to someone else in a differing way.

I hope that this clears some/most/all of the confusion you found amongst my statements ..

I didn't read into any of the comment here as "French Bashing". Bashing of Any Nation or Person is really not cool and these games and forums are not intended for that kind of thing.
I could be wrong but, my interpretation of the "French" reference was that he thought the cars looks were based on a French vehicle.

I certainly hope this was just a misunderstanding and as you say - "Bashing of any Nation or Person is really not cool". I really have no idea whether or not which vehicle the Valley car is based on - just that the creators are French(Nadeo).

well, most of the introduction post is somehow negative,
and the author willingly took the word "French", so it was certainly intended to be offending or at least agitating.
We better wait for a explication from the thread author

@TMarc - For you also , I hope the above helps to clarify things and as I had mentioned in the opening/introduction post -

"Yes , I know there will be people who will criticize this statement and that's fair enough as this is my personnal opinion."

Yes , you could say that the introduction post is somewhat negative in regards to how I personally feel towards some of the Valley cars handling. There will always be those that defend their gaming preferences whether it be Stadium , Canyon , Valley or any other game for that matter.

I believe there are points to gain and many things to learn by expressing opinions , whether positive or negative , within a forum.

All or many forum topics seem to somehow become more off-topic and I had hoped this not to be the case. e.g. the relevance of shadi_3205 above posts ??? .. I'm sure that in the following days/weeks/months ahead there will be many varying posts regarding Valley.

Perhaps the use of the word "French" should not have been used but I merely used it for more of a reference rather than to cause any agitation or offence..

I have tried to respond to all incoming posts in the best possible and civil manner.

My only problem with Valley is not having enough time to play it more.
I think that handling issues would all be resolved with more playtime. There is no substitute for experience and games with depth require some time to master.

@edk - Thx for your views and hope you find more time for mastering Valley..

So I hope that any future posts here can be more for "How do you feel about the Valley cars handling ??"..