The worlds First Tournament in Trackmania 2

[Andi1996]

I haven't read all the 12 pages before clearly (but I've seen the long discussion), however, I'd like to comment an aspect I am often thinking about:
TMUF is the best game ever in my opinion. There's always something to do, whether to play solo/online, build a track,... TMUF was almost never boring for me during this 3 years.
TM2 will be great, of course, but I think it won't get this great level of TMUF. One envi at start is maybe a bit less.
And that's why I hope that the community won't be divided in two groups: The one group that plays only TM2, and the other group that gets bored and stays at TMUF. Sometimes I'm frightened of the release of TM2, because I hope the whole community will stay together. It's the most important thing, I suppose.
And, yes, sometimes I hope TM2 would never be released. I just want to stay with all the others in ONE game and play TMUF the next... 50 years!
It's hard to say this all with a few words... Maybe I think so because I started playing TM only when TMUF came out, so I didn't see what happened at TMO->TMS, TMS->TMU...

To the topic: It's a good thing to promote TM2 at an event like DreamHack, unfortunately it's in Sweden, a bit too far away from Germany to go there.
But @Nadeo: There MUST be a beta or at least an alpha version of the game right now, otherwise this wouldn't be possible, huh?

Too much written...

[wiidesire-2]

But @Nadeo: There MUST be a beta or at least an alpha version of the game right now, otherwise this wouldn't be possible, huh?

The first version of the teaser was made inside of the Nadeo studios by Destroyer when he visited them.

We then got an alpha version like 1 month ago, to start working on the trailers at home. We spent many hours on it

from 20. April 2011 00:53 (private message)

[purification]

Please Wiid, for the whole community, can you shoot all videos about TM², for the pleasure of my and their eyes ?

[Knutselmaaster]

Hahahaha, i spent a nice weekend camping, with just a little worry in the back of my head that this topic would get (even more) out of hand.
Now that everybody has said what is on their heart, Frostbeule has apologised (in fact he has done so before i left this Friday) and Hylis has given a nice explanation with a vision of the future that everybody seems to have missed because they where all looking at the finger (The wise man points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger - Chinese proverb) lets continue to be on topic, witch certainly is worth discussing, i mean literally hundreds of lucky people are going to play TM² a long time before the release!
And i will quote the moon that our wise man pointed to, i suggest interested people to open a new topic on that one:

Maybe that Stadium should account for a great majority of the points earned in the world TrackMania leader board, and to have the most prestigious "single environment" challenge like Roland Garros or Wimbledon.

Huh, what a finger?
No a TM leader board, including ALL versions, combining TMUF and TM²?
A future where people play to be the real TM champion, by strategically choosing tournaments, matches but also environments from all different TM games?

[xis101]

... i mean literally hundreds of lucky people are going to play TM² a long time before the release!...

will it be so many? it´s more likely that there will be only a few computers hosted by Nadeo/Ubisoft. I don´t think they will spread a playable TM²:Canyon all over the LAN? It would be the same day in the internet^^

[Mac_Matrix]

... i mean literally hundreds of lucky people are going to play TM² a long time before the release!...

will it be so many? it´s more likely that there will be only a few computers hosted by Nadeo/Ubisoft. I don´t think they will spread a playable TM²:Canyon all over the LAN? It would be the same day in the internet^^

I think he was referring to the closed beta as well as the LAN setup. I could be wrong though.

[Knutselmaaster]

Well, to my understanding, it is an event that spreads over several days, on thousands of pc's.
So, unless the people that play it on their pc play it all by their selves all day and have no social contacts, or Nadeo puts a security guy besides every pc running the game, there will be a lot of people that have a chance of playing it, even if it is for a few minutes....

[Sabre]

firstly i'll add to the thread by answering you knut: There is an exhibition area at DreamHack with booths of various developers, PC hardware guys and other such things and at one of these there will be some computers set up at which you can test out Trackmania 2.

Now then, as a member of the TMN eSports community, I can see where Frost is coming from. However I will say that I do not agree with many of the things he said. I firmly believe that Nadeo saw this DreamHack opportunity as a chance to advertise to the worlds largest computer festival a new game that they have created. Adding a prize pool, in their eyes, is not trying to force TM2 into the eSports scene but rather be used as an incentive for more people to play at the booth in the tournament, the idea being that they will enjoy the game. I see this idea myself as genius and props to Ubisoft and Nadeo for that.

Now to the long-term, TMNF will not die in eSports. The game has been picked up by various large organisations such as Alternate Attax, mortal Teamwork, Team Infused, Team LDLC.com just to name a few. I also think that TM2 also deserves a chance in eSports and if this is the way to kickstart it then its fine! (Starcraft 2 is the prime example of such funding (look at the GSL which has been funded by Blizzard and is slowly taking its place in Korea.)) I do agree with Frost that TMNF did all of this on its own (to an extent, however ESWC 2006 and Verizon also had similar effects with TMN ESWC, Starcraft 1 was also promoted by Blizzard in Korea in the late 90s and 2000 with various large prize pool tournaments at some of the largest malls in Korea). However, this is not my point. My point is that games that deserve their place in eSports will retain their place in eSports after this surge of popularity and there are many instances in the past where such things have been attempted but to no avail. If this happens to TM2 then at least it is good for Nadeo commercially and for casual players, but if it takes off, then it is still good for eSports as a whole and will only help to promote TMNF as a game, just like TMNF's reputation will help TM2 in the early stages of this development.

Keep up the work Nadeo and Frost, I do see where you are coming from, I attempted to empathise with both you and Hylis while writing this ^.^

Greetz, Sabre

[hakkiJunior]

I have read somewhere that here has fb with florent a freestyle about going of TMnF/TM2.So, I have created the acc just to write my opinion.

I am really angry, what is happening here with my favourite game and i mean Trackmania. The first two games TMO and TMS were made like other. Then, the TMnF was created to support racing games in progaming.

What do you except Florent will happen ?

The TM2 will become next Progaming game ? I must to disappoint you Florent, TM2 wont be. You can see it on the TMuF. Why this is not the progaming game but tmnf is ? Because there is one env, it WAS free and it has good kind of steering.

I am not telling TM2 will suck. The game is really beatiful i will try it, but when i firstly heard about the paying for everything in the game, I imagined the last series of NFS. Cool game, but for how long ? 1-2 weeks ? WE DONT WANT to see every next year new TM because developers look for money as we can see in the NFS or CoD. The future of trackmania is free access to play tourmanets, what offers tmnf. NO. It offered ! The best would be to launch again all servers free in TmnF, and you can earn money on advertisemet around the game, if it is direct in the game or whatever.
Many good players ended with tmn and why ? because they liked the game for its free access to play. Next, lot of my known are asking me lately what has happened with tmnf. Do you think, this is the right solution to grow up our community ?

You should do what COMMUNITY (mainly TMnF, because players who play tmnf are interested in progaming) wants not what want you.

I never create accs on the websites to put one comment, but this is big mistake what you are doing and i want to show you it.

PS: this is just "the fast" comment, i just wrote what i was thinking about.

[Bergie]

Anyone by any chance know if we're allowed to use our own controllers at Dreamhack? I'm wondering since i'll attend and I'm not very keen on playing with keyboard