sadzealot wrote:Can your tongue be any further up Nadeos nosunshine-place?Soprah wrote:And now, someone shall please tell me that Nadeo doesn't read the forum or doesn't consider the opinion of the players!
Personally, I don't care so much about the falling-damage fix because I quite liked it.
However, really nice small update!
Regards,
Soprah
If you haven't been following all the negativity and rage against Nadeo it doesn't come from listening to small things like this, it comes from not listening to the major concerns.
They also don't show any signs of understanding what those concerns are about. It's always "be patient and positive and things will sort itself out"
This is a clear sign of not wanting to listen or to understand why people are upset.
And then you come and make such a kiss-ass post like this cause a simple thing that shouldn't have been added to the game in the first place got removed?
Please, get real!
I've never ever seen that those ''small things'' are able to draw that much attention that it leads to 78 posts, 2822 views, even encourage people to totally rage & insult each other in the belonging thread. That appears to be a ''major concern'' ...small things like this
Yes, I've been following those negative threads that much that I became a ''prophet'' to tell you that this discussion will most likely end like the following: Due to various posts written with a ''negative'' (raging, insulting, blaming) tone, a moderator has to move all the upcoming posts of this discussion into a new thread. Or prove me that I am wrong...If you haven't been following all the negativity and rage against Nadeo
Neither I am ''nadeo's fanboy'' nor I am any kind of ''crawler'' hoping to receive any ''Thanks soprah'' or ''He is absolutely right'' of hylis as the service in return. He can put me on vacation / ban me and I wouldn't crie in the corner like a little child and say ''What did I do wrong that he kicked me''?. I don't care. But if it might be ''logical'' or ''comphrensible'' to derserve such a big punishment, would be another question...kiss-ass post
So, the question might arise ''Why does it always appear as if he [Soprah] is 'defending' Nadeo?"
First: Actually, nadeo doesn't really need someone who is ''defending'' them because they are strong enough to do it on their own. However, I am still doing it sometimes due to a very certain reason which probabaly also reflects the sentence which lead to this discussion ''And now, someone shall please tell me that Nadeo doesn't read the forum/consider the opinion of the players'' :
I dislike, hate, scorn it if people state something about other people which is completely wrong. A lot. Really a lot people have been claiming so far that Nadeo doesn't listen to the customers, to the players who are eagerly helping them by giving suggestions & ideas (It's not always this fortunate case. Sometimes people only rage with no ideas, suggestions to improve that what they just blamed Nadeo for). Essentially, I would like to disprove this common reproach of Nadeo by the fact that they listened to the ''harsh'' feedback of the community regarding the fallling-damage feature and finally removed it in this small fix.
Besides, my personal opinion about bad manners and the nearly ''natural'' attitude of some people ''That has to be spoken'' as an justification for their insultings, raging etc:
I personally believe, that there is NO excuse for having bad manners similiary to there is no excuse to murder somebody. Yes, I heavily exxagerated it by taking such a serious example. There is simply NO demand of using those ''bad'' terms in their phrases, they can express their opinion without using this group of words.
You might be also clueless ''Why does he [Soprah] writes such positive & optimist posts then?"
In these crucial times, like I would like to describe them, where people are raging, insulting due to no satisfaction of their most important desire of seeing their favourite game to be successful (which I can absolutely understand), there have to be a few people who spread hope among the people who are desperate, frustrated and simply seeing no light in the horizon. At least I am trying to achieve that.
I do not want to appear as a ''hero'' if you might presume that, I would laugh hard if anyone would describe me exactly like that. I am a normal guy, like you all who has nothing else to do than spending hours writing forum posts which will probably nobody care of. My only desire is to convey a sign of hope that this game will hopefully once experience its long-awaited growth - growth regarding the playerbase and as a consequence, economical growth. Addtionally, I am holding projects to contribute for my (and others as well ) desire of having a successful game ( I am not the only one though ).
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Next question ''So all your posts are just attempting to be optimistic instead of being factual & objective?''
No. I personally believe, that a golden balance between being critical (no raging is meant here!) and being optimistic is the best attitude for any forum user one can ever imagine. Sometimes I am optimistic, sometimes critical. The last days/weeks/months rather the first because of the ''crucial times'' I've mentioned above. The critical part became less during this time because a lot guys are basically doing it and too much criticism only leads to a general atmosphere of despair, pessimism among the community. That doesn't mean we shall avoid the truth. No. Only presenting the truth leads to greater success by learning what you did wrong, yes I totally agree, but too much of that was never healthy for human-beings. Firstly, it leads to this desperate atmosphere - which we already reached - as I've already approached. Secondly, if people give too much criticism, people get offended and may not consider what they said, rather ''defend'' themselves.
Compared to the past, your (sadzealot) tone became a bit better at least... no sarcasm/irony is involved, just a few words to express my esteem as well as the hope that these daily-raging-discussions may have an end in the future. Because, which aim do these discussions have? Which purpose do their serve? If you are negative, you'll get nothing else than the opimistic & positive posts of Hylis or other people - probabaly even of me. Of course, you'll find a lot people who absolutely agree and support your bad manners whom you've been discussing ingame possibly but I assume because they are mostly too cowardly to do it on their own in the forum and rather support guys like u.
Furthermore - if your intention is to clarify the current issues of Maniaplanet, Shootmania or whatever - being constructive and having good manners might eventually fullfill your dream that any of those suggestions you wrote in your post, will be implemented or considered in the developing process. But, if you do not change anything regarding your tone, Nadeo and other guys will only brand you as a ''negative guy''. If people might think (that you are a negative guy) they will not focus on your probably valid aspects, they will not agree, they will rather disagree by thinking in the back of their head ''This is a negative guy, this can't be right''. Obviously, this may sound absolutely strange, weird or whatever but this is my assumption.
Hopefully, other guys who fit to the very often described category of ''negative people'' will model oneself to sadzaelot - because he actually achieved to change his tone, even though it not much and far from being ''polite'' or ''constructive'', otherwise I wouldn't write this long post here - to stop these raging posts.
If this discussion will end like I ''prophosied'' on the top of this post I will consider to leave this forum for a while until people realise that bad manners never accomplish anything and by contuining this attitude even lose faithful community members, like I would allow myself to subsume me in this category. I might also contemplate to completely leave Shootmania and stop my projects which I am recently exhaustingly working on ( I will take it seriously in contrast to other similar annoucements here ) - because, firstly: Why should I do it? For those negative people who believe that I am nothing else than a crawler and, thus, they would most likely not appreciate my work. Secondly, it wouldn't receive much support because the majority of the players here share the negativity. The most guys do not have the balls to express their negativity so it might seem as if only a couple people are keeping to be negative, but they are actually the majority. This might be wrong because it only relies on my experience of the last months.
You'll probably think ''Finally, this optimist guy with his brown-nose towards nadeo will leave this forum..." and you'll do not care. That is absolutely fine, but I do believe that the shrinking - or as players love to describe it the ''dying'' - community cannot accept anymore guys who are leaving the game. So, before arguing with other community members, remember this point and keep good manners.
I am 99% sure that one guy will write the complete anti-post to mine. He will gain the agreement of the majority (They will all say ''WooW, that is a genius'' or ''Player X has spoken'' or ''+111111'') because the most people pursue exactly this attitude, compared to my attitude which is rather unique and reflects the point of view of only very few people. However, I do not care. I stay loyal to my opinion and will not change because it doesn't fit to perspective of the majority. Maybe I'll change my mind if any convincing argument comes up.
Btw, why do I actually keep good manners, keep being polite? Why do I not adopt the behaviour of other guys here on the forum?
Good night shootmania folks.
Soprah
P.S.: Some of the guys who take part of the ''negative movement'' I do know. Some of them are really great guys and this no offence to those guys.
