Vee and Team Carbon

[testyrabbit]

Speaking of which; just noticed he edited the comment from details about triggerbotting until Sept 12 to simply 'cheating earlier this month', same also with Lersion.
Maybe he was wrong on a couple of details, or didn't have the full picture, or didn't want to indulge you with these specifics. Either way, Nadeo could lend a hand here. If there's a replay of someone cheating, it should be pretty doable to spot - triggerbots tend to have unnatural timings.
If they looked at Kryw's demos from last months they would could have banned him also regarding ping hacking, but there's a bit of a grey area with bug abuse and cheats.

Yes! All we ask is they post the replays that they say Vee is "cheating" in. If he's cheating it should be obvious and this whole thing will be put to rest.

Edit: Hell they don't even need to post them, we have all the replays of vee's from the past MONTH. Tell me the date and we will glady look in his replay folder, downloaded server side, and post them for all to see.

Agreed, they dont even have to show the replay. And if it is not even a replay, we have asked simply for a match that the flag occurred, because D4MSZCZKU was given this information when he was banned. They have refused to provide us with this simple bit of information, even though it will have nothing to do with how their "anti-cheat" works.

[tombuilder]

I`m not used to reddit or the SM behaviours, but I just wonder: Aren`t there any forum rules on that reddit site. Regardless if there was cheating or not, I never saw such blatant defamations before. This is almost psycho terror by the OP there. This is nonexcusable.

[veekillah]

I`m not used to reddit or the SM behaviours, but I just wonder: Aren`t there any forum rules on that reddit site. Regardless if there was cheating or not, I never saw such blatant defamations before. This is almost psycho terror by the OP there. This is nonexcusable.

There are rules similar to those on Reddit, however they vary from sub-reddit to sub-reddit. In this case it is against the rules of the subreddit "Don't post offensive/aggressive comments or posts. Don't ask for upvotes/downvotes." this is the third rule. He was also banned from the Maniaplanet forums for a week for blatantly disrespecting developers and calling Hylis a cheater at the game he is the lead developer of.

[sadzealot]

Isn't it obvious that this is a move by ESWC and Nadeo to replace a non-french team with a french team so the announcer can go on stage after the finals this year and shout "ALL TOP 3 ARE FRENCH!!" (Last year he was shouting "two out of top 3 french!" like another Goebbels-imitator). Banning someone for "hacking" and having a policy to "Never comment about bans, nor putting out a banlist" makes this the perfect excuse.

But all joking aside...

[veekillah]

Isn't it obvious that this is a move by ESWC and Nadeo to replace a non-french team with a french team so the announcer can go on stage after the finals this year and shout "ALL TOP 3 ARE FRENCH!!" (Last year he was shouting "two out of top 3 french!" like another Goebbels-imitator). Banning someone for "hacking" and having a policy to "Never comment about bans, nor putting out a banlist" makes this the perfect excuse.

But all joking aside...

You would think any information regarding cheaters/ban lists would be posted publicly. ESEA has no issue posting accounts of the players who have been caught cheating on their system, Valve does a similar thing with VAC bans, they are on the profiles of the accounts to which they are tied to and are public. I am not trying to start a flame war nor do I have a personal vendetta against those are are involved with this situation.

It just seems like an incredibly shady practice for a game they claim to have supported as the "Next big E-sport title" I just want opinions from as many people as possible in this matter. I will state that I have not cheated in this game or any other game for that matter. I just want to bring this to the attention of the community so that they understand what is going on.

[pksens]

Looked at a few replays: one named "Changa3Rail" does have triggerbot elements to it (2nd shot is pure luck or trigger, no skill, 3rd shot is a bit of a sweep given it's a server replay). If there are more like this, then, yes Nadeo has a case.

[testyrabbit]

Looked at a few replays: one named "Changa3Rail" does have triggerbot elements to it (2nd shot is pure luck or trigger, no skill, 3rd shot is a bit of a sweep given it's a server replay). If there are more like this, then, yes Nadeo has a case.

Yes I remember this replay because it was nuts. That being said, these are all 40 of the replays vee had, which means they are some of the best rounds he has ever had. I'm sure we all have some replays with ridiculous shots on them, otherwise why save a replay if it is short of an insane round. With over 2000 hours in a game, shit happens sometimes. Also, that replay is from April 1st, 5 months before the timeframe Nadeo is working with.

[Keremz]

Looked at a few replays: one named "Changa3Rail" does have triggerbot elements to it (2nd shot is pure luck or trigger, no skill, 3rd shot is a bit of a sweep given it's a server replay). If there are more like this, then, yes Nadeo has a case.

I do not see any blattant trigger in "Changa3Rail", I've seen guys like you (sens) pull off unbelievable things 10 times freakier than this. But then again I might very well be wrong and will not argue if proved so.

Can we have a word from Nadeo/drakonia about Team Carbon please?

[Marvalz]

Looked at a few replays: one named "Changa3Rail" does have triggerbot elements to it (2nd shot is pure luck or trigger, no skill, 3rd shot is a bit of a sweep given it's a server replay). If there are more like this, then, yes Nadeo has a case.

I understand the clips I'm about to link are a long time ago and a time when vee was just starting to play the game. But I think you will understand from watching that shots like the first one in the "Changa3Rail" clip are within vee's capability of making, without cheats. FYI, the competition at this lan was extremely lackluster but I hope you can see that Vee started playing this game seriously a month before that event. The only way to go is up from that point.

These shots are on LAN with the commentators right behind them, breathing behind their necks. I would just like to specify as people will make up some ridiculous excuse as to how vee could "cheat" on lan. You can ask anyone who went to PAX East 2013 and they will confirm the distance of the commentators. Again thank you everyone for all of your time.


RO8 (With timestamps to vee's attacks):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1_pXSzFr8I#t=315
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1_pXSzFr8I#t=22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8t_Gv9Fp2s#t=53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8t_Gv9Fp2s#t=354

Quarter-Finals (With timestamps to vee's attacks):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX97KTLxmo4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX97KTLxmo4#t=256

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJNnRciV0nk#t=5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJNnRciV0nk#t=343

Semi-Finals (With timestamps to vee's attacks):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo162CNTnTo#t=5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo162CNTnTo#t=353

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jLq8g01cmA#t=65
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jLq8g01cmA#t=384

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eACiu7YKFVM#t=284

Finals (With timestamps to vee's attacks):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjWg5ffL35k#t=59
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjWg5ffL35k#t=387

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmAmLkR3FwA#t=25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmAmLkR3FwA#t=317

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVHEjjOtAAk#t=80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVHEjjOtAAk#t=435