Vee and Team Carbon

[caV]

Looked at a few replays: one named "Changa3Rail" does have triggerbot elements to it (2nd shot is pure luck or trigger, no skill, 3rd shot is a bit of a sweep given it's a server replay). If there are more like this, then, yes Nadeo has a case.

I understand the clips I'm about to link are a long time ago and a time when vee was just starting to play the game. But I think you will understand from watching that shots like the first one in the "Changa3Rail" clip are within vee's capability of making, without cheats. FYI, the competition at this lan was extremely lackluster but I hope you can see that Vee started playing this game seriously a month before that event. The only way to go is up from that point.

These shots are on LAN with the commentators right behind them, breathing behind their necks. I would just like to specify as people will make up some ridiculous excuse as to how vee could "cheat" on lan. You can ask anyone who went to PAX East 2013 and they will confirm the distance of the commentators. Again thank you everyone for all of your time.


RO8 (With timestamps to vee's attacks):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1_pXSzFr8I#t=315
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1_pXSzFr8I#t=22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8t_Gv9Fp2s#t=53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8t_Gv9Fp2s#t=354

Quarter-Finals (With timestamps to vee's attacks):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX97KTLxmo4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX97KTLxmo4#t=256

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJNnRciV0nk#t=5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJNnRciV0nk#t=343

Semi-Finals (With timestamps to vee's attacks):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo162CNTnTo#t=5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo162CNTnTo#t=353

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jLq8g01cmA#t=65
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jLq8g01cmA#t=384

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eACiu7YKFVM#t=284

Finals (With timestamps to vee's attacks):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjWg5ffL35k#t=59
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjWg5ffL35k#t=387

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmAmLkR3FwA#t=25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmAmLkR3FwA#t=317

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVHEjjOtAAk#t=80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVHEjjOtAAk#t=435

Is this post a joke? I am actually trying to grasp if you are joking by this or you really are that naive.

First off nobody in the entire NA community went to the PAX East event in 2013 besides Frag Dolls a female team who were very casual players in public servers and weren't very good. The rest of the teams were players were FIRST TIME PLAYERS WHO SAW THE BOOTH AT THE EVENT .

You are trying to prove Vee's innocense by posting youtube videos of him beating down on female public players and players who had NO MORE THAN ONE HOUR PLAYING THE GAME? LMFAO like seriously you aren't that dumb marvalz or maybe you are either way this argument is invalid. Vee, Testy and Odin have played hundred of hours in shootmania if not thousands and you want to compare them to 14 year olds with 1 hour of play time in the game?

This is just pathetic even for you Marvalz.

[caV]

If you had the ability to read and comprehend sentences

stop insulting everyone tmarc, come here please.

The only thing insulting is Team Carbons pathetic attempt to try to get their account unbanned after being detected for cheating by Nadeos anti-cheat.

[Wabbitface]

The only thing insulting is Team Carbons pathetic attempt to try to get their account unbanned after being detected for cheating by Nadeos anti-cheat.

The non-existent anti-cheat xD

[Darkminus]

The only thing insulting is Team Carbons pathetic attempt to try to get their account unbanned after being detected for cheating by Nadeos anti-cheat.

The non-existent anti-cheat xD

Which shows how obvious it was haha

[caV]

We are currently scrimming in a North American server. Come and see for yourself. It is the server B2G Private and the password is z.

Edit: We have finished our scrim.

Marvalz I think you need to specify when you post so I will correct your mistake.

You said "We are currently scrimming in a North American server. Come and see for yourself. It is the server B2G Private and the password is z."

What you meant to say is We are currently scrimmage in a North America server on our new accounts because our original 2 year old accounts got banned for cheating.

Just wanted to specify that Vee is on a new account because his original account was banned by Nadeo.

Facts are facts.

[caV]

The only thing insulting is Team Carbons pathetic attempt to try to get their account unbanned after being detected for cheating by Nadeos anti-cheat.

The non-existent anti-cheat xD

Wabbit so you are calling Hylis a joke who lies to his community? Got it just wanted to confirm that. I feel this is insulting to you Hylis and this is directly against forum rules so you deserve a ban for disrespecting Hylis like that. A swift ban to wabbit disrespecting the head admin hylis will teach others that doing so is not tolerated.

[TMarc]

The only fact I can see here is that you, CaV, are more or less accusing others without really proving it,
based on assumptions and stuff you quoted which is not officially visible.
That's definitely not nice!

If some players are banned for good reason, and then they acknowledge and apologize, then they deserve a second chance.
You have made your point clear with a long enough post, it should be sufficient.
But you're attacking and insulting others without need, furthermore you're spoiling the topic unncessarily with nonsense, and you are trolling around with exorbitance of emoticons.

Although you're quoting Hylis, apparently you did not read nor take into account the many messages regarding negativity.
I urgently recommend to search for his posts and read them carefully, and to be quiet for some while now.

In sum, you're violating nearly all forum rules here in this topic.
Please stop this, behave, and wait until there is a official commitment or dementi


caspa has written a nice recommendation, please also follow this:

To be clear, I'm not siding with anyone. I am just genuinely curious to know what happened. In no way do I tolerate cheaters, I would like someone to show me where the proof rests. Thanks and hopefully we can have a sensible discussion about this.

[thelasttzar]

Seems to me like if there is enough evidence to justify banning someone then whoever made that decision should be confident enough to share the proof they have.

[Hylis]

Of course, I would not ban without clear evidence on our side. I am protecting the way we are getting cheaters for the good purpose of the community. I may provide them to people under NDA so they can easily confirm the cheat. But whoever would be involved into this loss of time should be aware of their negative behavior.

I think that to cheat is a mistake, but this situation is much worse. So, I ask the cheaters to simply apologize and so we can all move forward instead of talking for a long time about Vee. I give him up to Monday to apologize. End of story.

And to the other that are taking part into this without even knowing whatever, I would invite them to remain calm. How can even some people support or attack them without knowing? Once these apologizes or proof are done, I would then invite other people to do so, for their truely worse, and bad behavior, or insulting other players. I can't do much in that case, but I can tell that I think it is bad.