Questions & Answers Trackmania Turbo

[rat_in_car]

Yes, you should have Lagoon on MP, but it's not Turbo on MP. Lagoon is an environment for a wider system and will have it's own campaign.

I'm not asking about campaign, mappacks etc. I asking about buying the same game twice. Lagoon is lagoon - is part of Turbo and will be part of Maniaplanet, right? So if I'll buy Turbo, I pay for Lagoon too (because I'll buy 4 envs), so why I should pay again for Lagoon later again? It seems to be not fair.

Or, if you think it's fair, just give people more fun this way - "buy the same game 4 times for yourself and then 5th time you'll get 20% discount".

Was really sad that you start to sell the same game (Stadium) twice, even for those who bough TMUF (I've check that almost all textures remains the same except two - grass and dirt, which have increased resolution that causes FPS drops for some players btw). And now people will buy Stadium 3rd time and other envs twice for regular price? That sounds really unfair for those who support Trackmania by buying stuff. Not even discount, just "buy Canyon, Valley and Stadium again and we'll give you Lagoon, some extra textures and different menu, and after few months you can buy the same Lagoon again with few different maps and probably 2 textures changed". This start to be a bad joke.

You ask us what others studios don't do while their ports are easier than ours (usually just increase the resolution of the textures).

You don't even do that in case of Stadium - textures are the same. So - who is better?

And please - don't tell us that other gamemakers do the same. TMUF has the same price for years, even if almost nobody plays it anymore (because of price for so old game maybe?). Tell me what game that is so old has that high price?

I don't really think that few different textures, some different maps (community makes thousand of maps for free and they usually better) or some extra gamemode is enough to sell the same game twice. Others just made DLC and free updates for free for that type of stuff. For most of players you can probably skip all this solo mode or strange gamemodes and remains just online TA/rounds and they will be the same happy.

And at the end:

I'm talking about the new blocks, the double driver, the new customization car feature, the new trackbuilder, the new online infrastructure, the new unannounced game modes and the unannounced features.

Of course, I can pay for that. And because I paid for Maniaplanet and want to pay for Turbo, then I'll have all that stuff - new and old. So, Lagoon in Maniaplanet should be free for those who will buy Turbo, because they pay for new fancy stuff and they already paid for old MP stuff. I don't understand why someone should paid twice. Explain it please.

[i7mean]

From what I've understood, if you buy Turbo, you'll have Lagoon in MP for free, but a special MP Lagoon (with it's own campaign?). But from what I know, the MP version of Lagoon is not for soon, at all...

Then, I'd say your post is very good, I think the same. As I said, I've said nothing when I bought Stadium² for 10€ (I have no regret), but now it's harder for me to accept, because I will have 89.99€ spend for the game in total, which is more expansive than a brand new PS3 game.

[rat_in_car]

From what I've understood, if you buy Turbo, you'll have Lagoon in MP for free

Really? Who said that? I want to know for sure before I buy Turbo.

[i7mean]

Hylis said this but he added a "probably" so wait a little bit

[Hylis]

I agree with you, i7mean, that it's far from a good reason to talk about what others do, and this is surely not our reason to do what we do at the moment

What I think you say is that since you already bought part of the content, you feel it would be more fair to have discount. And I thought about it, like 50% for owners of the 3 environments. It would have been cool but really complicated because of the multiple format/stores, the need of communication (what if someone discover it after) or trouble depending of the countries, or simply a sales that we are really not in charge (like 75% on the environments would then make people make like an investment)

So, instead, I wish to give Lagoon for free to Turbo owners. It's easier, since it's a key, not 50% on a transaction. Yes, it requires you to virtually "buy" Lagoon to have the equivalent 50% discount, and wait for Lagoon to be out, but that's the same idea as before: make a discount for the most regular buyers of Trackmania. And by the way, I should thank you

Now, the most important is still: what is the content, from both Turbo & Maniaplanet environments. It's hard to explain everything while not everything is revealed or done when we talk about Maniaplanet, but let's try a little.

Turbo is a game with a lot of features, 200 campaign maps, hosting by Nadeo and a specific art production. I think you will see that Turbo is a good complementary game to your collection, if you need what it's made for: play with friends with multiple paddles, advance in a deep campaign, challenge the world with a specific artistic feeling made for this version: including musics, cars, menus, billboards, items etc.

Maniaplanet is a platform in evolution. Lagoon environment was made before Turbo. So, the blocks that are in Lagoon in Turbo will be in Maniaplanet, of course (to answer xrayjay) Plus more blocks, minus the specific artistic elements that makes Turbo with it's special taste that we would not want to always be there to let players own style/taste express better (like xrayjay creations ^^) There will be the Lagoon car, music, campaign and access to all Maniaplanet features that are made for the environment to be alive by the power of the players.

It would have been much easier to explain with only console versions of Trackmania Turbo, but we wished to enable players to get it on PC. And I am really happy of this choice! It's more work for us, and probably more sells (cool!) but it was really to give access to people without console to this version. Trackmania Turbo is made to be compliant with consoles and it brings a good polish to the experience while Maniaplanet is much more open.

I bet that you will enjoy both in their own way: Trackmania Turbo and Maniaplanet 4 + the 4 environments! In fact, it's your choice to bet but it's also a bet for us because we want players to be happy with what we do. And until you know all about Turbo & what is coming next with Maniaplanet 4, it's more difficult to prove.

If you bought everything at fullprice over 6 years, it makes 15€ per year, which is still a lot. But it's a little less on our side when you think to discounts, taxes, distribution shares etc. So, our best way to compensate is to provide playtime. And I think that both Trackmania Turbo & Maniaplanet are going to be big monsters in that area! I bet you ^_^

[i7mean]

What a great reply

I want to make things clear, I will buy TMT because I luv Trackmania, and to support NADEO, I just wanted to say that I was unhappy (and to be honest I'm not the only one). I know your studios had to work hard on it (so it deserves the money only for that) and I totally agree with you : I don't know how much hundreds hours of fun I've spent playing your games, and I want this to continue
What a great decision to keep TMT available for PC, I don't see a TM without a pc version ^^
Thanks Cerovan and Hylis to answer to your community btw.

[xrayjay]

thx
i ain´t doubt that lagoon will added to the importer library (and a big update for the importer^^)

[riolu]

What a great reply
I'm sure everyone appreciates that you communicate with us much more the last days!

[WTCYoStunt12]

What a great reply
I'm sure everyone appreciates that you communicate with us much more the last days!

Since TMT out's date has been revealed, they can't really hide features

except that *insert that hidden feature seen during PGW here* and I REALLY want to know what is it about

Nerpson know it

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Little question : Will Maniaplanets pop-ups come out from loading screens, signs or menus (ads in fact) to show to TMT players what MP is?

[purification]

I forgot to mention this out, but Turbo has got a lot of improvements in term of sounds FXs that MP hasn't, and by that I mean brand new and not recycled ones.

Will ever its PC counterpart benefit of it in a near time ?

Any answers ?