A patch is absolutely necessary for PC

[Florenzius]

Mediatracker, classic editor...

[_Junky]

If it was a replacement, why would there be a MP 4.0 coming? And yes, what would be the use of a maniaplanet solo for shootmania. Just think of TMT as a spin-off just for consoles, where the console-versions are also available for pc's.

I really would be happy if NADEO would clarify this, because a lot of people dont understand the difference now between TMT and MP. They just expect indeed a follow-up or a replacement, and are loudly screaming for a lot of functions only MP has to offer and not TMT.

So to avoid dissapointment imo it is ABSOLUTELY nescessary for NADEO
to explain the difference between TMT and MP!

Greetz,

Ok, you may be right that this is how Nadeo see things (I had no idea they announced updates to ManiaPlanet), but in that case there are two issues :
1 - That's not how the public will see it (most players probably don't even know this forum exists, they'll just see the game on steam think it looks fun and buy it).
2 - Ubisoft can't communicate on the fact that Maniaplanet is the "true PC version" of trackmania, they're trying to sell trackmania turbo, they can't put a warning on their site saying "This is a cheap version of trackmania, don't buy it".

So if they decide to keep pushing Maniaplanet in parallel (which may be a lost cause : a quick look at steamcharts.com shows there are more player in Turbo right now than there ever was in any TM² environments), I think all they will achieve is splitting the community, which is probably a very bad idea.

The best course of action IMHO would have been to include the missing TM² features into the PC version of Turbo (cam1, replay editor, dedicated servers, web APIs..), offer a discount on Turbo for people who already bought TM² environments, and focus all their efforts on Turbo.


Anyway, Trackmania Turbo seems like a lot of fun as it is, so I'll enjoy it for what it is instead of regretting what it could have been ^^

[i7mean]

Haagse you can't deny that even without a comparison with Maniaplanet, there are many problems with the game.
You point of view looks like "This is a simple game". Trackmania is not just a simple game like others. It's supposed to be the greatest racing game ever on pc.

If nothing is added and fixed, I see NO FUTURE for this game on PC.

[HaagseSmurf]

Haagse you can't deny that even without a comparison with Maniaplanet, there are many problems with the game.
You point of view looks like "This is a simple game". Trackmania is not just a simple game like others. It's supposed to be the greatest racing game ever on pc.

If nothing is added and fixed, I see NO FUTURE for this game on PC.

Well i never said TMT or MP is a simple game. What i meant was that people are not aware of the differences between TMT and MP. A lot of people are shouting out that NADEO should add Dedimania for example, well Dedimania isnt even made by NADEO. Its a community thing. And i really love Trackmania, otherwise i wouldnt be here for all those years.
And yes there are bugs. I just want to point out that NADEO should explain more the differences (THE GOOD THINGS) on both platforms to show people what you buy and what you can expect. So if you think the missing of dedicated servers for example is 1 of the many problems then youre probably wrong, because it wasnt intentional. There are other bugs that should indeed be fixed, but first you have to exclude the real bugs from the things that are not intentional !

Perhaps you should read this post from Hylis, where the intentions of both platforms are well explained Explanation of the difference between TMT and MP

Greetz,

[i7mean]

But really you should guess (pretty easily) that when people talk about "dedimania", it's the first word that comes to their mouth, they are obviously talking about a record system... (which would be similar to dedimania).

And I already read this post from Hylis since it's an answer to one of my own post. I don't see where in this post you can read that cam1 and pads will be unusable, that there will be no rankings ect... Alinoa said there would be another Sneak Peak before the release, that wasn't true (or I'm blind and stupid [possible tho]).

Turbo, with all the elements missing we listed in another topic, would be an awesome game in PC. And we can't believe Nadeo didn't think of those

[HaagseSmurf]

But really you should guess (pretty easily) that when people talk about "dedimania", it's the first word that comes to their mouth, they are obviously talking about a record system... (which would be similar to dedimania).

And I already read this post from Hylis since it's an answer to one of my own post. I don't see where in this post you can read that cam1 and pads will be unusable, that there will be no rankings ect... Alinoa said there would be another Sneak Peak before the release, that wasn't true (or I'm blind and stupid [possible tho]).

Turbo, with all the elements missing we listed in another topic, would be an awesome game in PC. And we can't believe Nadeo didn't think of those

I think we both mean the same thing but say it in different words.
Yes TMT has bugs and should be fixed asap to not loose a lot of players, indeed the padfixing etc.
The things that wont change is for example that a scoring system like dedimania will come to TMT because that wasnt intentional. Turbo will still be turbo, we just have to wait what the update for MP will look like to give a real good judgement and comparison, what is in our opinion a good or a bad thing.

Btw i dont think your stupid because you describe real good what your thoughts are about TMT and how things are going. A good discussion is always better to make things clear amongst people and works so much better then only saying things are crap, which doesnt help anyone (i have sadly seen such posts also)

Greetz,

[Strollin]

Well I get it that Turbo is meant to be a more casual-friendly game with less customization options and more focus on the things that the game itself has to offer BUT there are simply some features that - no matter how easy you want to keep things - are just vital and necessary.

There is another thread on the forums with some things that are missing like the camera 1 angle or tracknames or seperate car customization in the garage, just to mention a few.

I really enjoy both games, Turbo and Maniaplanet but with all these key elements missing I kinda dont see the point in playing Turbo tbh except for Lagoon or some of the new Blocks in Valley. Stadium is only graphically enhanced (which is also really nice) and Canyon is barely different from Maniaplanet Canyon (which isnt bad). If they dont update those things I will probably just play Turbo for Lagoon one day.

I just hope Nadeo will patch those basic things (Im actually ok with no dedicated servers especially since it was mentioned many times before release but the rest is really important)...

[i7mean]

Another bad thing that I didn't see in this forum is the campaign... /!\ WARNING, before you stop reading, the maps are good and fun (except..Stadium A maps from MP )

What I mean :

I had to play 30 maps before unlocking Stadium... 30 MAPS !!! Imagine that! 10 maps per 10 maps is just horrible.
If I want to play the Stadium B ? Another 30 maps ?! Oh common...

Each environment should have his own system please. Because I don't really like Valley and I want to discover Lagoon, but I'm forced to play those 10 valley maps..

Please.

[TMarc]

Agreed. I hope I don't have to play first all Canyon, then Stadium, then Valley maps until I can unlock Lagoon.
And using the editor is cheating

[SSM.Speed...]

This is not a console game. This is a PC game. Some essential stuff is missing and that simply is unacceptable.

Below is a list of the things I think are absolutely essential to be patched asap.

• Custom bindings for gamepads: this isn't the 80s/90s, this isn't even the 00s. It has always been possible, until now. It is 2016, we shouldn't have to download 3rd party software for your game to be played in a desirable way.
• No hiding of cars. I tried pressing 'O' but still a thousands cars were lagging over the track and just distracting me from playing properly. Why isn't this even in the game?
• Player hosted servers. Why can't we create servers ourselves? Not for the moment, but really hosted servers. How will track sharing even work? Only Nadeo tracks?
• Fix the scoreboard. Honestly, what a mess.

I love TrackMania, don't get me wrong. I've been a dedicated fan and player for years, but this is a console game. It is a betrayal to your PC community (which basically is your whole community). I really enjoy playing TrackMania Turbo. The game feels so good, but these things unacceptable Nadeo. I expected higher of you.

I love you Lotrax
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