Trackmania remake titles discussion

[Hexagon]

First of all, I don't want to criticize anyone, I just say facts how are in my point of view.

August - September: Release of Snow
October - December: Beta of Speed
January - May 2018: Development of Rally, first beta expected around June
Soon: Coast, later Bay and other environments

Thank you for copying my idea :/

I know should be a retarded way to think, but did you ever had the idea to copyright your project?
To be honest, maybe yes ManiaDesign took the idea from your Title Pack. "copying the idea" sounds like kids statement.
ManiaDesign was inspired from your Title Pack, but he hasn't copied your entire project, he remodels every block from Trackmania United, you ripped them all, there is a difference here.

There could be nothing wrong with that, but I have wasted almost 3 years of development of TM2UF and if I would know that someone would do it too I wouldn't do it, because why have 2 same titlepacks (not 100% same but the idea and base are same).

Well, what about showing some previews instead to hide all? I don't get it. You really wasted 3 years of ripping stuff in bad quality when someone else is trying to do the same work as you better and faster than you.

When you were writing with me you said that you want to choose one environment that you want to recreate (Snow). Later you said that you want to remake just TMO. And now this.
I gave you my files, created menu with scripts and so on and you didn't even include me in "thanks page" (I have included you in TM2UF).
Example:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nch207ru6262r ... e.xml?dl=0

This is my favourite part so far.
You gave him "files", what files? I have never seen a your file in the title pack.
"Created menu", which menu if the TMOne menu is made by Guerro and ManiaDesign.
Why he should include you in the "thanks page"? "I have included you in TM2UF" sounds like "So to return the favor you must add me in the thanks page" just because of the idea that you forgot to claim copyright? Wow.. at this point you really need to stay in the "thanks page".

Peace.

[adamkooo2]

First of all, I don't want to criticize anyone, I just say facts how are in my point of view.

Any critics are welcome

ManiaDesign was inspired from your Title Pack, but he hasn't copied your entire project, he remodels every block from Trackmania United, you ripped them all, there is a difference here.

I've just ripped desert roads in Lod0 mode (too sharp). But I have fixed it in TM2UF 2.0. Every other items are modeled by me (except Bay flats, they are by Meuh and rally bridges are by atomic boi).

You really wasted 3 years of ripping stuff in bad quality when someone else is trying to do the same work as you better and faster than you.

By the way I said almost 3 years of development Actually it's 2 years and 8 months .The ripping is explained above. And I have 7 environments instead of 1 or 2. I was not working on it 24/7, but 3hrs during weekend and I've done it without big community support.

Well, what about showing some previews instead to hide all? I don't get it. You really wasted 3 years of ripping stuff in bad quality when someone else is trying to do the same work as you better and faster than you.

Do you want showcase? Here it is: viewtopic.php?f=538&t=29811&start=270.

You gave him "files", what files? I have never seen a your file in the title pack.

I gave him Snow mod, all my items from TM2UF 1.5 (the newest version in that time).

I have sent you my whole folder of my items including fbx, xml and textures and my snow mod. I know the items were horrible in that time, it was the best what I can I do in that time.

Possible that you sent me that stuff, i don't remember clearly tbh. At all I still created the items to this time. Nevermind, I discontinued this version and the current snow-version has no sign of you.

If you want to discuss with me, send me a PM


Peace to you too

[Hexagon]

Now, I'm really being salty.

This is just my point of view, so don't critise me pls, it's not hate

Any critics are welcome

Can you please choose if you want to be criticized or not? ffs.

So, today morning, I've talked with ManiaDesign about you and your Title Pack.
Trackmania2 United Forever, the idea is so stupid that is so easy that this happens. I had a friend that he never plays Trackmania2 but he knows you have the feature to making custom title packs. And without you, adamkoo, he asks me if I can make TMUF on TM2 (I said no btw ). You don't need to have a big brain for creating a title pack...
Nevermind, I'm going offtopic; I asked him if you had any relationships with Nadeo, because you are taking game parts to place them in another one.
I.. I don't think it's legal, you should ask Nadeo before making a United Forever title pack. You ripped most of the objects from Trackmania United Forever and you place them in a TP.


You are now blathering that ManiaDesign copied your idea when you actually copied from Nadeo their self. Wow, congratulations mate!

The ripping is explained above.

Now it is.

I have wasted almost 3 years of development of TM2UF and if I would know that someone would do it too I wouldn't do it, because why have 2 same titlepacks (not 100% same but the idea and base are same).

Actually it's 2 years and 8 months .

So, you exaggerated on the developing date, to make you look like you've worked more. gg

I discontinued this version and the current snow-version has no sign of you. I can't fix this bug, seems to be on maniaplanet in the end.

I have sent you my whole folder of my items including fbx, xml and textures and my snow mod. I know the items were horrible in that time, it was the best what I can I do in that time.

If you didn't get it, ManiaDesign does not use your file anymore. So, please stop, it's useless to talk now.

Trackmania 2 United Forever and Trackmania One are 2 completely different projects.
TM2UF has mostly ripped objects and

modeled by me (except Bay flats, they are by Meuh and rally bridges are by atomic boi)."

(I don't think it's true, but that's what I think).
TMOne has NO ripped objects and ONLY remodeled objects, and IF he was "ripping" something he already asks to Nadeo if he can, so he has the "permission" to.

Do you want showcase?

No, thanks.

[adamkooo2]

Now, I'm really being salty.
adamkooo2 wrote: ↑21 Jun 2017, 16:16
This is just my point of view, so don't critise me pls, it's not hate
adamkooo2 wrote: ↑Today, 11:55
Any critics are welcome
Can you please choose if you want to be criticized or not? ffs.

I wrote that you shouldn't have to say I am hating somebody because that was just my thought.

TM2UF has mostly ripped objects

Can you read or why do you cut words form the context? I have written it in my previous post:

I've just ripped desert roads in Lod0 mode (too sharp). But I have fixed it in TM2UF 2.0. Every other items are modeled by me (except Bay flats, they are by Meuh and rally bridges are by atomic boi).

Belive me or not, I can't force it to you

Trackmania2 United Forever, the idea is so stupid that is so easy that this happens

Sorry, but I don't understand what do you want to say...

Do you want showcase?
No, thanks.

Ok, but then why do you write this:

Well, what about showing some previews instead to hide all?

I have wasted almost 3 years of development of TM2UF and if I would know that someone would do it too I wouldn't do it, because why have 2 same titlepacks (not 100% same but the idea and base are same).

Actually it's 2 years and 8 months.

So, you exaggerated on the developing date, to make you look like you've worked more. gg

Do I have to say exact time to a second or it will be not enough for you? There is a word almost what means not complete.

I.. I don't think it's legal, you should ask Nadeo before making a United Forever title pack. You ripped most of the objects from Trackmania United Forever and you place them in a TP.

If it was illegal I think Nadeo would inform me that I am doing illegal title.

You are now blathering that ManiaDesign copied your idea when you actually copied from Nadeo their self. Wow, congratulations mate!

Florenzius recreated the Nadeo game too, so don't say I have ONLY did it.

I have a question to you. What is your goal in this topic? Do you wish to see me as I will close my project or as I am leaving the community?
Critics are based on facts or thoughts you want to validate, not on a demagogue or on hate.
If you want something, please send me a PM


Bye.

[Guerro323]

Ye, but the difference between the quality of your objects and the objects from florenzius (ManiaDesign) is a lot. It's a very HUGE/IMMENSE difference.

I don't say this because I'm working with his (florenzius/ManiaDesign) project, but from a point of view from a random player, it's easy to see the difference because it's really, but really different.

[adamkooo2]

Ye, but the difference between the quality of your objects and the objects from florenzius (ManiaDesign) is a lot. It's a very HUGE/IMMENSE difference.

I don't say this because I'm working with his (florenzius/ManiaDesign) project, but from a point of view from a random player, it's easy to see the difference because it's really, but really different.

I know this fact, that's reason why I am working very hardly last days to get TM2UF 2.0 as best looking as possible.

[Florenzius]

Guys, let's stop now here.

TM2UF has mostly ripped objects

Can you read or why do you cut words form the context? I have written it in my previous post:

I've just ripped desert roads in Lod0 mode (too sharp). But I have fixed it in TM2UF 2.0. Every other items are modeled by me (except Bay flats, they are by Meuh and rally bridges are by atomic boi).

Belive me or not, I can't force it to you

Lol, I just looked into the latest version of your tp. What about those objects? Those are exactly like in United, every single vertice and mistake is the same, maybe just with a Lod less than in the original game:

Do you want showcase?
No, thanks.

Ok, but then why do you write this:

Well, what about showing some previews instead to hide all?

That doesn't mean, that Hexagon wants to see something

I.. I don't think it's legal, you should ask Nadeo before making a United Forever title pack. You ripped most of the objects from Trackmania United Forever and you place them in a TP.

If it was illegal I think Nadeo would inform me that I am doing illegal title.

You are now blathering that ManiaDesign copied your idea when you actually copied from Nadeo their self. Wow, congratulations mate!

Florenzius recreated the Nadeo game too, so don't say I have ONLY did it.

Ofc I did, but I created it by my hands.

I have a question to you. What is your goal in this topic? Do you wish to see me as I will close my project or as I am leaving the community?
Critics are based on facts or thoughts you want to validate, not on a demagogue or on hate.
If you want something, please send me a PM
Bye.

I think this thread is not the right place for that, as I want to showcase the progress here, I am open for any PMs, have a great day

Btw for everyone, the pre-registration for the beta is over soon, so you have a last chance to be part beside 36 testers

[TMarc]

Topic split on request.

Guys, please stop blaming each other.
You have all put lot of effort into your work, and it is really amazing what you achieved.
But while apparently Adamkoo prefers to rebuild TM Original 1:1 and Flo tries to make use of the features of the newer maniaplanet versions, perhaps the tine has come to decide what to do, and perhaps help each other, in a constructive way.

Or you take it as a challenge, and let the community decide and judge.
If one decides to stop, that's also fine.

I know well myself what it means to work long time on a project, and sometimes decisions have to be taken, even if they don't please everyone.
What I remember is that it was lot of fun to work on the mod and to see the enthusiastic reactions despite the unfinished state of the projects.

So, take it as what it means for you: leisure time project for yourself.
There will always be someone who can do something better and faster, but don't look at them.
Don't be frustrated or upset. That's not worth it.

[Demented]

Well said TMarc.
You guys should both be proud of the work you've done.
Competition promotes a push for a higher standard but that doesn't mean you have to compete with each other.
If you could find a way to work together imagine what you could accomplish.
If not, at least find a way to not step on each others toes and see if you can come up with something new and innovative to add to the original TM to showcase your skills and set your work apart. (Do the original stuff but add something new like "Gate Hunt" or "Capture the Flag")
BTW don't forget to include Stunt Mode. That was my favorite!

[Florenzius]

Thanks TMarc and Demented

I am sure, the discussion is done now as everyone said, what he thinks.

Btw, I am in love with the stunt mode as well, even If I suck at it ^^ I am trying to get that working some time