Is TMNF a demo?

[Joyeux]

You can see it in two ways. TMNF can be a demo, then TMUF is the full version. TMNF can also be a full version though, then TMUF is an expanded full version / a special edition of TMNF. To me it doesn't matter which one it is now, TMNF is a game and so is TMUF, and the only thing that matters is that the games are fun. And they are fun.

This.

Mandark, why do you mind so much about that? Even if you think so, just respect the people who don't, as FrostBeule said.

[tcq]

Mandark, why do you mind so much about that? Even if you think so, just respect the people who don't, as FrostBeule said.

lol. TMNF is a game on its own, with its own communities. saying anything else is extremely ignorant and, quite frankly, stupid.

You mean the person which says that everyone who does not share his opinion is stupid? I don't think that you are willing to argue on this level.
The only solution to this is, that there are this two opinions (demo, no demo) and you can't force anyone to see it the other way round if he believes in one of them.

But this topic is always nice to do some trolling
Glad that we are in the offtopic now

[Joyeux]

I mean him, but not this sentence. As you could see, I totally disagreed with it.

I mean this one:

anyway like i said, it's a matter of opinion in the end. let's just respect each other! <3

Anyway, I simply wonder why a topic has been opened about that. Could someone explain me where is the real matter? Who cares?

[zarexz]

Ehhhmmm....First there was Trackmania (alpine, country, desert) no idea whether it had a demo or not. Then there was Trackmania Sunrise (bay, coast, island) it had a playable demo with a couple of tracks but no editor or other functionalities. Then there was Trackmania Nations, especialy build to launch on the ESL. That is why it was free of charge so everybody had the chance to participate. Then they updated the old environments to join them together with all the other environments where the physics changed to run them on the same engine and that also resulted in TMNF.

Aaaand to me it seems that also resulted in to a new thought in peoples minds that from then on all the games should be free and if not we all going to hate the developers...

THINK! people, please?

[FrostBeule]

Mandark, why do you mind so much about that? Even if you think so, just respect the people who don't, as FrostBeule said.

lol. TMNF is a game on its own, with its own communities. saying anything else is extremely ignorant and, quite frankly, stupid.

You mean the person which says that everyone who does not share his opinion is stupid? I don't think that you are willing to argue on this level.
The only solution to this is, that there are this two opinions (demo, no demo) and you can't force anyone to see it the other way round if he believes in one of them.

But this topic is always nice to do some trolling
Glad that we are in the offtopic now

well, when someone says Nations is just a demo that sounds to me like it's not the actual REAL game with the REAL community... but this is just not true; Nations is a vibrate game on its own with several different sub-communities such as Tech, Dirt, Speed and RPG. it is pretty ignorant and stupid if you have that opinion and i know some people do (zooz) and that was what i commented on.

anyway, this discussion is pretty much over i think...

[Trackmaniack]

Mandark, why do you mind so much about that? Even if you think so, just respect the people who don't, as FrostBeule said.

lol. TMNF is a game on its own, with its own communities. saying anything else is extremely ignorant and, quite frankly, stupid.

You mean the person which says that everyone who does not share his opinion is stupid? I don't think that you are willing to argue on this level.
The only solution to this is, that there are this two opinions (demo, no demo) and you can't force anyone to see it the other way round if he believes in one of them.

But this topic is always nice to do some trolling
Glad that we are in the offtopic now

well, when someone says Nations is just a demo that sounds to me like it's not the actual REAL game with the REAL community... but this is just not true; Nations is a vibrate game on its own with several different sub-communities such as Tech, Dirt, Speed and RPG. it is pretty ignorant and stupid if you have that opinion and i know some people do (zooz) and that was what i commented on.

anyway, this discussion is pretty much over i think...

*vibrant. And just because it was intended to be a demo, and still technically -is- a demo, that doesn't necessarily have to mean anything. Does TMNF have all the characteristics of a demo? Yes. Is it also home to the largest subgroup of Trackmania players? Yes. For several reasons, not the least of which being it's free. But my point is, the two don't have to be mutually exclusive. I -still- play the original Supreme Commander demo, cuz it has all I need in the game--and I don't see a point to buying more if I'm satisfied with what I have, especially if it's free.

[FrostBeule]

*vibrant. And just because it was intended to be a demo, and still technically -is- a demo, that doesn't necessarily have to mean anything. Does TMNF have all the characteristics of a demo? Yes. Is it also home to the largest subgroup of Trackmania players? Yes. For several reasons, not the least of which being it's free. But my point is, the two don't have to be mutually exclusive. I -still- play the original Supreme Commander demo, cuz it has all I need in the game--and I don't see a point to buying more if I'm satisfied with what I have, especially if it's free.

*because. well i see your point, i just don't agree with it =) let's be friends!! awww <3

[tcq]

well, when someone says Nations is just a demo that sounds to me like it's not the actual REAL game with the REAL community... but this is just not true; Nations is a vibrate game on its own with several different sub-communities such as Tech, Dirt, Speed and RPG. it is pretty ignorant and stupid if you have that opinion and i know some people do (zooz) and that was what i commented on.

anyway, this discussion is pretty much over i think...

I don't say that tmn is dead, it is for sure the one with the highest player count and activity atm, but that's only because it's free. And about the different sub-communities. They don't make the game more real if you list them, because they are still part of the one community you are referring to.
Sure you can write REAL in the capital letters, but this won't make it any more real. Only because a community is big, it doesn't make it the right one or the best one. Sure the possibility is higher to find outrageous people in it, but than you have to define first what it means to be the "real" community. Is it about the amount, or is it about the quality of people? No one says nations is not a real game. It was a real game when it came out in the beginning in the ESWC version. But nowadays, you need to take into account that it is restricted in some ways (if you compare it with united) and the content of this game is a subset of the content of united. Therefore the term demo might be a fitting description now (not back in 2006).

And i never said something against a nice discussion, it was only about the way how you started it, because i'm simply not discussing with people which snobby state "i'm rigth, there is no discussion, you are stupid". And this is frankly said the cause, why i wrote this part here.

saying anything else is extremely ignorant and, quite frankly, stupid.

Don't want to go into this to much (because this is the TrackMania2: Centralised News about the Game topic), because this was discussed already thousand times.
But you realise that you are hitting your self with this statement?

how am i hitting myself with this statement? please explain.

Because this simply points out how ignorant and "frankly, stupid" you are to other opinions.

Hope you get it and we can put this now aside, because i made my point clear and we both have our opinions and in the end we both like TM

[FrostBeule]

I don't say that tmn is dead, it is for sure the one with the highest player count and activity atm, but that's only because it's free. And about the different sub-communities. They don't make the game more real if you list them, because they are still part of the one community you are referring to.
Sure you can write REAL in the capital letters, but this won't make it any more real. Only because a community is big, it doesn't make it the right one or the best one. Sure the possibility is higher to find outrageous people in it, but than you have to define first what it means to be the "real" community. Is it about the amount, or is it about the quality of people? No one says nations is not a real game. It was a real game when it came out in the beginning in the ESWC version. But nowadays, you need to take into account that it is restricted in some ways (if you compare it with united) and the content of this game is a subset of the content of united. Therefore the term demo might be a fitting description now (not back in 2006).

where did i write that you think Nations is dead? im confused. also im confused when you say that the only reason why Nations is popular is because it's free. sure, it being free certainly helps to get new players, but don't you think a game have to be pretty good for people to constantly return to it? as is the case with Nations. free isn't always good, if you didn't know. and what are you talking about with the REAL stuff? are you saying that im saying that Nations is the REAL community compared to United? in that case i think you severely misunderstood me =)

and like i already wrote, i get it why people would see it as a demo, especially if your main game is United. I've already explained why Nations isn't a demo to me.

And i never said something against a nice discussion, it was only about the way how you started it, because i'm simply not discussing with people which snobby state "i'm rigth, there is no discussion, you are stupid". And this is frankly said the cause, why i wrote this part here.

again, i wasn't the one who started. it was zooz.

because i made my point clear and we both have our opinions and in the end we both like TM

I agree!

[Mandark]

In my opinion there is no TMUF, and no TMNF.. It's just TMF.
Having United it's like having a premium account for Nations forever.