ionian wrote:I could go into the arguments of why TM is not Gran Turismo, and comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges; I could explain that TDU2 and Just Casue 2 use the same engine, but you wouldn't have paid a cheaper price for one of them; I could explain that it is not going to cost €140 euros as this is not TMUF - but the truth is it doesn't matter. You are free to choose to not buy the game if you feel it represents bad value for money. This is your right as a consumer. Just remember that whilst you are sat at home outraged at the price of the game, the majority of this forum will be enjoying map-making, drifting, and general racing goodnessosen wrote:I don't get this argument. Gran Turismo 5 has over a thousand cars, 200 of them "Premium" with a ridiculous amount of detail, all with different handling characteristics. And 26 different locations. And it's a sim game with scanned tracks and ridiculously more advanced physics. TM2:Canyon is ONE car, ONE location, insanly simple physics in comparison and user generated tracks. I don't se how 7 cars and 7 locations could cost €140, that's all.
It's not about not having the money. It's about not wanting to pay €140 for something that should, in comparison to other games, be one normaly priced game.
Don't take me wrong. I love Trackmania and I hope TM2 is awesome. But I can't see how they could justify a price of €20 per environment. I mean, I can understand the price for the first environment, it's a new graphics and physics engine I pressume, that takes a lot of work, but the next enironments will use the same engine I pressume, so they should cost like a DLC car/track in Forza or something.
Of course it's not Gran Turismo, I never stated that, it was the guy I quoted that tried to imply that GT only has one enivronment, which is absurd. And it's a sim racing game, I wouldn't even call Trackmania an arcade racing game, it's something else. I don't believe it will cost €140 either.
Of course I'm free to choose not to buy the game, but that's not what this is about! Maybe I don't make myself clear. (I'm probably going to buy the equivalent of Stadium, if it's a standalone game, or Canyon and Stadium if it isn't, if you want to know
I didn't care much for other than Stadium in TM1) And I'm sure many would buy the game anyway, even if it was priced at that level. But I question if enough will, I'm just trying to understand the reasoning behind it, if it indeed would be like that. Obviously game developers seek to extract the maximum amount of money from their games and if they can charge €140 for a game and it's the most profitable of course they will, nothing strange about that, I'm just wondering if that is indeed the case. But who am I to question?My initial question if there was any info about how much the environments will cost each and if they will be standalone games or not, this is a bit off topic LOL. I'm not outraged at all, I couldn't care less to be honest. I just want a new Nations and I will gladly pay €20 for it, but that's not the point. And I hope I will enjoy TM2 a lot, I can't wait for it, I still love Nations to this day.
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And well said, of course it's about enjoyment. To make a relativley simple game that many will enjoy and pay for is of course an accomplishment and I personally would take such a game over a game with no enjoyment and lot's of content any day. I'm just questioning the market strategy. But as I said, who am I to question it? I'm just interested. I'm wondering if enough people will buy all the parts of the game at that price, especially if there is going to be a combined pack later with much reduced price (I believe TMUF was priced around "normal" games?).
