Ubisoft DRM

[Knutselmaaster]

I'm getting old
Don't even know how new consoles work anymore.......

[EntropicLqd]

...so where will i be able to get a hard copy of any PC game now! let a lone a hard copy of TM2!..

play.com normally works for me. Or Amazon. Or game. If you hunt around you can pretty much find what you want in physical media for a decent price.

Or you can just by it via electronic delivery ... say STEAM or D2D.

PC Gaming is a long way from being dead.

[Ripbox]

...so where will i be able to get a hard copy of any PC game now! let a lone a hard copy of TM2!..

play.com normally works for me. Or Amazon. Or game. If you hunt around you can pretty much find what you want in physical media for a decent price.

Or you can just by it via electronic delivery ... say STEAM or D2D.

PC Gaming is a long way from being dead.

this wasnt my point EntropicLqd, its quit obvious to me i can get it from play.com and the like and even an electronic copy as i did for TMU
my point is it wont be sold in the shops!!!
If for example you dont follow games new sites or rarely read gaming mag's how wil you ever know to buy or try the game?
you cant tell you you never went into a shop and saw a game, picked it up and thought hmmm never heard of it but it looks good ill buy it!
with internet buying you have to know what you are looking for!!!!! and if you don't you'll never buy it

Old traditional methods are the best, they are tried and tested and work!!

[Alcator]

with internet buying you have to know what you are looking for!!!!! and if you don't you'll never buy it

Old traditional methods are the best, they are tried and tested and work!!

Excuse me??

Everyday I log on to Steam, there are several "spotlight'd" titles shown. Quite frequently, I see something I've never heard about, but it catches my attention, so I click on it, download the demo and check it.

"Appeal to tradition" is a logical fallacy (false argument). Just because it has been like that for decades doesn't mean there's no better way.

[Ripbox]

with internet buying you have to know what you are looking for!!!!! and if you don't you'll never buy it

Old traditional methods are the best, they are tried and tested and work!!

Excuse me??

Everyday I log on to Steam, there are several "spotlight'd" titles shown. Quite frequently, I see something I've never heard about, but it catches my attention, so I click on it, download the demo and check it.

"Appeal to tradition" is a logical fallacy (false argument). Just because it has been like that for decades doesn't mean there's no better way.

Excuse me!!!
Not everyone has steam (though i do) and i dont want to and its not always possible to log on every day, i have other important things in my life to tend to, but maybe your too young to understand???
Its like the old saying though, if its not broke dont fix it!

You'll find out one day in real life when you have bought something off the internet and you receive it, it wont be what you expected, then you might think i wish i could have gone picked it in person

And why because a hand full want a digital download copy the rest of us should be forced to do the same?

hmmm and how exactly will you part exchange or raise urgently need funds with a digital download copy? though you probably have money fed to you on a golden platter

maybe one day you might hit the real world with a regret of not listening to the "I Told YOU SO"

[Trackmaniack]

Easy bros...let's not let this get out of hand. Be that as it may, I agree with Ripbox, in that physical methods are the much better way to go, not just because it's the tried and true method of doing things.
Reason 1) If your computer shits the bed and you don't regularly back things up, you still have a PHYSICAL CD you can re-install the game from. Because, if your computer shits the bed, and, say you got your license key from Steam or wherever DLed on your PC, if your data's gone, then it's gone, too...so how do you prove that you legitimately bought said game?
Reason 2) For uber-geeks like me, I LIKE the feel of an old-fashioned CD or DVD in my hand...the act of putting it in the drive is something fulfilling...not to mention I stack my game boxes on a shelf like books. I have over 500 PC games in my collection, and they are ALL physical copies, most of them with the fancy large box, not just a thin jewel case...I've got quite a setup goin there.
Reason 3) Until VERY recently, I had internet that was WORSE than dial-up, simply based on where I live. Then, a startup internet firm that provided REAL highspeed to rural areas dropped an office in our area, and we hopped quickly on that bandwagon. And this is a situation that doesn't just apply to me, or people in 3rd world countries...there are SEVERAL gamers in rural areas that suffer from this problem. This is the same complaint with people that are petitioning against the damn DRM, too...

[Alcator]

Reason 1) If your computer shits the bed and you don't regularly back things up, you still have a PHYSICAL CD you can re-install the game from. Because, if your computer shits the bed, and, say you got your license key from Steam or wherever DLed on your PC, if your data's gone, then it's gone, too...so how do you prove that you legitimately bought said game?

Sorry, guys, you obviously have no idea how Steam works. The games are connected to your password-protected account. Wherever you type in your account name and password, you can re-download all your games. You don't need any CD keys or anything like that on Steam.
If you own a physical media and it breaks, then you're out of luck. Either you can scan the purchase receipt ("but who stores those???"), and then after 30 days and 9 dollars, they'll send you a new CD/DVD, or you're out of luck and have to buy it anew.

[Trackmaniack]

Reason 1) If your computer shits the bed and you don't regularly back things up, you still have a PHYSICAL CD you can re-install the game from. Because, if your computer shits the bed, and, say you got your license key from Steam or wherever DLed on your PC, if your data's gone, then it's gone, too...so how do you prove that you legitimately bought said game?

Sorry, guys, you obviously have no idea how Steam works. The games are connected to your password-protected account. Wherever you type in your account name and password, you can re-download all your games. You don't need any CD keys or anything like that on Steam.
If you own a physical media and it breaks, then you're out of luck. Either you can scan the purchase receipt ("but who stores those???"), and then after 30 days and 9 dollars, they'll send you a new CD/DVD, or you're out of luck and have to buy it anew.

Fine. So I didn't have any idea how Steam works. Sue me. But the point still stands that those with crappy internets are SOL when it comes to DLing games. Secondly, if your CD breaks or your CD drive craps out (my case) that's where No-CD patches come in. Did you know that 95% of game companies actually have their own, industrial-strength No-CD patches in their files? They do. I messaged countless game companies when my Dell CD laser died. And most of them sent me patches to run a game without a CD. Granted, they did craploads of security checks to make sure my copy was legit, but when that was done, it installed. So there are "old-school" ways to get anything to work, and it's been working for a long time. It's true that going to 100% digital media means less tossed CDs, but again, this brings to light the argument of not everybody having fast internet...

[Knutselmaaster]

Sorry, guys, you obviously have no idea how Steam works. The games are connected to your password-protected account. Wherever you type in your account name and password, you can re-download all your games. You don't need any CD keys or anything like that on Steam.

I think we're going very offtopic, but still i enter the discussion ^^
If I understand you right, Alcator, you can come to my place, log in to your steam account, download all your games, and after that i can play them?

[AngelFred]

Actually Knutselmaaster, you will not be able to play if you're not in his steam account. I have steam and I think that it is a cool way but i agree with Trackmaniack that take a CD or a DVD of a game and put it in you're computer is very cool! And i think that the 2 ways are good and that we can have the 2 to decide between. And keep cool guys