Next Enviroment?

[zarexz]

TMUF was (only) 20BGP because it contained atleast 5 year old stuff.
So for you FirstDriver, wait 5 years and maybe it will be cheaper all together.

[firstdriver]

Of course that ManiaPlanet is not really free : its cost is globalized on sales of all games/environments which will use it. Would you prefer to pay ManiaPlanet 90€ and each environment 10€ ???

ManiaPlanet is free but each environment cost money and you can pay only one environment.

Yes ... I would ... because if it was too much and I couldn't afford it then I wouldn't buy it .. just like other games I can't afford!!! (Well you DID ask!! )

TMUF was (only) 20BGP because it contained atleast 5 year old stuff.
So for you FirstDriver, wait 5 years and maybe it will be cheaper all together.

Comes to something when a game made up of 5 year old stuff can still be more playable and user friendly that the latest 'all singing,all dancing' version. As I've said alot of times already... TM2 is getting better but still has a long way to go to even equal the playability of TMNF/TMUF. Look at what made them popular and follow that path. Too much has been taken away from the previous versions already See you on the tracks

[Demented]

Before TMUF, United, Nations, Original and Sunrise there was TrackMania! I still have the original box it came in. I bought the game back in 2004 and thought it was the best "Creative" driving game out there. Look at how that game has evolved over the years into TrackMania United Forever and I can't help but get excited to see where this new version will go. IMO - It's a good foundation to build on.

Back on subject: I'd like to see a Rally environment with gravel and dirt roads and maybe add a drift mode where you could create and or race on an open area (similar to stunt tracks) and get points for drifting - Speed times Angle time distance or something like that. Maybe that could be done with scripts.

[roke]

Any environment will do for me, as long as it uses the same physics as stadium. Though, admittedly, I'm not very fond of cacti or palm trees.

But then again, I'm sorta limited that way.

[Alter-Fox]

Why do you want another stadium? You already have stadium 1 -- and it's free. If the next enviroment was a "stadium 2" I -- and other trackmaniacks I know -- wouldn't waste my money on it. I'd just go to the TMUF I already own and play stadium there. I don't want TM to become stagnant -- the entire point of the game, for me at least, is to constantly be able to try something new.
Besides, I don't think you can persuade Nadeo one way or another -- I get the impression they have more of maniaplanet planned out already than we will ever know.

I think a more realistic thing to ask Nadeo for, rather than a new stadium environment, would be new blocks for the existing stadium. I would be more likely to see that as a reasonable request. And if you want graphics, ask them for a graphics update to stadium. Maybe they'll make it so you need to pay for these new features but that would be worth it for you, wouldn't it? Why should you reinvent the wheel, when the "reinvented" wheel won't be any different or -- most importantly -- better? Why should Nadeo remake stadium, when stadium itself is barely four years old?

Am I biased? Of course I am. When all things come down to it, I'm still sick of stadium because I had to play only nations for a year before I could buy United off a friend (this was after playing TMO and TMS and all that variety for three or four years). I honestly don't understand when people say that stadium is the best environment in TMUF -- to me it's just the "ordinary" one -- and I despise the ordinary. And all else aside, I genuinely like Canyon better than stadium :gasp:.

Another reason why I think a stadium 2 is unrealistic -- the gimmick of this game is going to be the canyons. I can tell that from the environment names we already know -- Canyon and Valley. Just like the gimmick of TMS was water and islands, and the environment names had similarities that reflected that gimmick, it seems pretty obvious to me that this will be TM2's gimmick. I simply don't see having giant chasms in an arena as realistic -- though I'd love to hear your explanation of how it could be .

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To be honest, I am kind of pissed off at a lot of this community right now. You're asking Nadeo to give you something that they've already given you -- but just to give it to you again. You already got Nations for free -- how many companies will give you anything of any appreciable value for free, let alone a complete, albeit slightly restricted, game? Why is it so hard for you people to be happy with what you have?

I'll tell you what I think you should do if you're not going to like -- not going to give a chance to -- anything that isn't Stadium 2. Don't buy Valley, or any more TM2 environments -- you obviously aren't going to be able to learn to enjoy them anyway. Take those twenty Euros and donate them to a charity for children in third world countries who have nothing. You've been given so much that you don't need. If you aren't going to appreciate that, then give it to someone who actually needs it.

I'm sorry for the angry tone, I'm too tired for subtleties. I really needed to get this off my head. Now I can get to sleep.

[firstdriver]

Another reason why I think a stadium 2 is unrealistic -- the gimmick of this game is going to be the canyons. I can tell that from the environment names we already know -- Canyon and Valley. Just like the gimmick of TMS was water and islands, and the environment names had similarities that reflected that gimmick, it seems pretty obvious to me that this will be TM2's gimmick. I simply don't see having giant chasms in an arena as realistic -- though I'd love to hear your explanation of how it could be .

Sorry to disappoint you but the gimmick ISN'T the canyons. Each environment is a 'stand alone' add-on, game, call it what you will. You don't have to buy Canyons to play Valley. As far as I know there will be no canyons in Valley, or any other environment that comes out (Stunt? Rally? ... Arena?) ... so why not a Stadium if alot of players want it?

In my view, all this talk of players wanting a stadium has gone off in a tangent. I think that some players are getting the Stadium environment mixed up with the actual properties of the stadium environment. On Stadium, things like the greater amount of building blocks, the different behaviours of the car on tarmac, dirt and grass and the car handling both on the ground and in the air are, in alot of players eyes, better than the new TM2. Ok, make it one environment, but why take away so many other good things, and why such a hefty price tag for each new environment?

I spend about 5% of my gaming time on TM2 and 95% on TMUF. The reason for this is mostly because TM2 hasn't anything to offer me except the hope that it will get better as time goes by. Unfortunately the choice of servers seems to be shrinking .... there were 880 afew weeks back and now there appears to be only 770 ... thats minus 110 That's my two-pennyworth for today. Have a good day all

[Demented]

Canyon does seem incomplete to me but, as I said before, I still think it's a great foundation for NADEO to build on. I do hope they add more track parts to Canyon though. There are no track parts that go up hills. (Other than the cliff 12 slopes). There are the "Road Hill 2" Parts (6-9-x) but there are only 5 of those and none go up or down the hills. There is still plenty to build with though, if you are creative. The ability to create and download custom blocks will be nice as long as people don't get too weird with it and start uploading a bunch of crap track parts. Hopefully there will be a way to make the custom stuff "official" or acceptable.
Does anyone know if they are still woking on the custom blocks feature?

[TMarc]

you know, every environment that has been released so far is incomplete, because there will be always some blocks missing which could have been done.
I dont know if the most missing blocks will be added or if they can be added without causing compatibilty issues with older tracks.
But it is part of the basic principle of TM universe: try to be as good as you can with the given blocks.
And this is why they restricted somehow the number and type of blocks.

Perhaps one day there will be TM Ultimate where there is only one environment which has all moods and all blocks and all landscapes in one, but this might be too difficult to develop and too complex to handle when editing such a track.