Valley Suggestions

[tcq]

c'mon, don't forget that TM was made as a game which should be accessible for everyone, no matter of computer performance and game controller. gamepad players have a big advantage anyway, so you want to have envi where gamepad could be the ONLY suitable controller?

Not the only suitable controller. But as TMU has Island and Rally (which favour analogue input devices), we want to have at least one environment which does the same for TM2.
If you take a look at TMO (rally, snow, desert) and TMS (island, bay, coast), there is always one environment which favours analogue input devices. And as valley is the second environment for TM2, why not let it be the TM2 environment which does it?
And at the moment, gamepads doesn't have a huge advantage on canyon, because you can be as fast as the best with KB. It's the same in stadium. You can be fast, but for more consistency the usage of a pad is better (and this will always be the case, because playing with a pad is way more relaxing for your hands).

[Omnixor]

And as valley is the second environment for TM2, why not let it be the TM2 environment which does it?

because I somehow feel that it will be the best envi in all TM², and I don't want it to be gamepad-only if I could know that 3rd envi will be good too, I'm not against at all ^^

[rat_in_car]

And as valley is the second environment for TM2, why not let it be the TM2 environment which does it?

because I somehow feel that it will be the best envi in all TM², and I don't want it to be gamepad-only :lol: if I could know that 3rd envi will be good too, I'm not against at all ^^

And again the same situation - people who has keyboard only (remember that gamepad players have keyboards too!) want to degrade every controller to keyboard level. You don't even consider buying a gamepad, isn't? What will be next? Complain about higher requirements? "Omg, I have Geforce2MX only, I don't want to buy gfx card and I want to play TM2"?

[Omnixor]

I have 2 gamepads -.-
and you want to make gamepad the best controller ever? go to xbox.
and as I already said, I'm not against gamepad being better than keyboard, I'm against gamepad being the only controller possible for normal play. you still can run in worser shoes, right?

[tcq]

I have 2 gamepads -.-
and you want to make gamepad the best controller ever? go to xbox.
and as I already said, I'm not against gamepad being better than keyboard, I'm against gamepad being the only controller possible for normal play. you still can run in worser shoes, right?

As i wrote earlier. It depends on what you want to play (You can play Island were competitive with KB on slide maps). You want to play KB? Go and play stadium/desert/canyon. If you want to get to New York i guess you take the ship. Will you force me take the ship too, even if i want to fly (cheaper, easier and faster most of the time). I guess no. And you can't force me (only if you are a terrorist), because it's my choice to fly. Go take your ship (your KB), while i take my plane (my analogue device).
I'm not against your opinion, but what you totally lack is any kind of tolerance for other people and their opinions. With this, you won't come far in the world. And don't judge me, i totally understand were you are coming from. I played TMSdemo over 1 year with KB and got furious about all the guys which beat me on noslide maps. After i bought TMS, i bought a pad and finally improved like hell on noslide maps. But does this mean i haven't had fun during the demo? Hell know, i fought against all of the other KB drivers we keep on laughing when we beat one pad driver. But if you want to be better, you need to improve. Either with your skill or by buying new equipment.
It's exactly the same when you are going for a triathlon. You beat some guys in the water, because you are a faster swimmer, but they have a great bike (worth over 5000 euros), while my bike is cheap (~200 Euros). You won't be able to beat a properly trained athletic on this high end bike if he trained as much as you, because he is simply faster. The world isn't fair, but this is life. But you can smoke him by swimming and running faster
One day you'll learn it.

[Omnixor]

I think you understood a bit wrong what I want to say (or my 2nd sentence wasn't necessary ^^). I don't care about competitive racing at all, I just wanna get fun. on all the previous envis you could get fun either on KB or pad (except rally probably). I don't want to see an envi where you can't get fun on keyboard. it's okay if I will be noob or so, because I chose KB myself (yes, I can't get used to pad). but I still wanna have fun ^^ maybe I understood you all a bit wrong too, but for me it seems like you want Valley to be fun only for pad-players. if I'm wrong, correct me pls

[rat_in_car]

You can have fun even playing noslide island maps on keyboard - but it depends on your sense of humour :). But most times I am sick of people who complain that they can't be as good as pad players and says something like "omg, this map is for pad, it is not fair". What is not fair? Map is not fair because you can't finish that map? Or because author not test his map on keyboard?

Nobody say that you cannot play using KB. You can even play using paddles if you want how to connect them and if they still works. The only thing we want, as pad players, is give us more fun playing better controller. Do not slow down our controllers like in canyon only because KB players will cry! That's the point.

[Omnixor]

well, in that case I don't care that much (: until you can play with KB at least on average level, it's fine for me.

/offtopic: anyone has some kind of tutorial about how to learn to play on gamepad/better settings/etc?

[rat_in_car]

Offtopic: Is really simple - I recommend to lowering sensitivity to minimum and deadzone to zero. In case that your car will turn itself left or right (or start turns after releasing analog) increase deadzone. And do not "tap" - means do not use analog like keyboard. Put your finger on analog and made smooth movements without releasing analog. And, as every control device, it will be DIFFERENT than you use for now, so will need to practise and at the beginning your experience will be worse. Now depends on you that you'll give up quickly or will try.

It's like non-visual typing. Right after you'll decide to not watch on your keyboard, your speed will decrease. But after few days of practise results will be much better than before.

And my method of configuration (different than default) is to assing steering to RIGHT analog and throttle/brake to left front buttons (up-throttle, down-brake).

[Demented]

It's odd to me that "Keyboard vs. Controller" has raised such a debate.
I still think Every environment should continue to have Every input option available.
If you like keyboard use keyboard.
If you like controller use controller.
I returned a driving game once because it was Keyboard Only and I don't want to drive that way, but that's my personal choice.
Arguing that controllers cost too much I find hard to believe. If you can afford a game and a computer you can afford a controller. They cost much less than a game and it's not like you have to buy one for each game.
Again though, It's personal choice.