About Valley

[Zeptimus]

Will it be free for those who own Canyon or will you need to buy it like an expansion?

[jankkos]

When and for what price?

[jojoba007]

Probably for 20,- euro's. When? There is no date yet.

[Xymph]

early 2013 i guess

Don't guess, nobody is helped by spreading rumors. A release date hasn't been announced for Valley, so just wait until it has.
Besides, SM Storm is now announced to be released "early 2013", January 23 to be precise, and Nadeo is unlikely to release another environment in the same timeframe, as such things take a lot of time and resources.

[BigBuddha]

Besides, SM Storm is now announced to be released "early 2013", January 23 to be precise, and Nadeo is unlikely to release another environment in the same timeframe, as such things take a lot of time and resources.

Well the official blog says:

TrackMania² Valley will be available in early 2013 for PC, and until then we leave you with the announcement trailer
http://blog.maniaplanet.com/blog/2012/1 ... announced/

Whether they can stick to that, is another question...

[Xymph]

Besides, SM Storm is now announced to be released "early 2013", January 23 to be precise, and Nadeo is unlikely to release another environment in the same timeframe, as such things take a lot of time and resources.

Well the official blog says:

TrackMania² Valley will be available in early 2013 for PC, and until then we leave you with the announcement trailer
http://blog.maniaplanet.com/blog/2012/1 ... announced/

Whether they can stick to that, is another question...

Ok, good catch, I overlooked that. Then it depends on the definition of 'early' - once January is over I wouldn't call it that anymore, but Nadeo may still consider February or even March 'early'. Wait and see indeed...

[luftisbollentm2]

maybe we can buy it in the end of the year before cristmas (beta) or sooner like all the other envis "love"

damn valley look really nice with birds (i saw some birds in the trailer)
good news nadeo team

[FrivolousSam]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what we've seen so far implies it is nothing more then an environment reskin, akin to the ones you can get for free on modding sites. Maybe a couple new block types to go with it.

Showed Valley to some friends and the main reaction was "They're trying to sell that reskin as a whole new game? Are you shitting me?"

There are only three possibilities here, either the Valley package contains a huge amount of hitherto unannounced new features, or is going to sell for like $5 maximum, or someone at nadeo/ubisoft has gone off the deep end.

I'm not posting this out of spite or whatever. I'm posting this because I really really want Trackmania 2's title packs to not be a rip-off pile of suck, and there's a part of me that's telling itself that that simply cannot happen, but the fact that I still have not seen a single thing to the contrary scares the hell out of me.