Minimum ladderlimits back to 0k (?)

[TheM]

I'm not writing this post as an Ladder moderator, but as player who cares for the ladder.

I've discovered that all the minimum ladderlimits are set back to 0k, for Canyon, Stadium and Storm, check:
http://forum.maniaplanet.com/viewtopic. ... 59&t=15804 (Canyon / Stadium)
http://forum.maniaplanet.com/viewtopic. ... 59&t=15803 (Storm)
EDIT2: I know these posts are from 18 January, but I'm pretty sure they've been changed since...

I was wondering what the ideas are behind this sudden change, without informing the community of this decision and without asking the community about what they think about such change ...

My main focus is on the RoC, as I guess that it won't be very "popular" anymore for players from 80-100k.
There is already limited time, limited tracks and limited players and now everyone (yes, everyone) will be able to play in the RoC. This means: less time and less room for players from 80-100k.
At the moment, I can only guess what it would do to the players from 80-100k, but I'm going to express my expectations anyway: they won't care to drive on the RoC anymore.
What is now a fibrant part of the ladder, will be a place where everyone can join in, even when (s)he doesn't even need to be there to get points. The people who do need the RoC to get points (90-100k, or 80-100k) will have less change to get points and can play less on the RoC, which is not only a place to get points but also a place to have much fun.

And what about the other servers than? Well, why bother having an 0-60k server anymore, to attract new players? You can just start all 0-90k servers, so everyone can join in... what a party! Having an 0-60k or 0-50k server says for me that they are open for all players, new and experienced. If you have 0-90k servers, people will join in because they are new, but also to get points, which will reduce the good atmosphere in the servers.

So, please NADEO: reverse this change, or at least articulate your ideas behind this (in my eyes: rediculous) change.
EDIT: Ow, and don't see this as pure critics, I want to improve the ladder, just as you want...

Thanks,
a player caring about the ladder

P.S. More caring players are welcome to post their opinion here in this topic.

[HaagseSmurf]

I absolutely agree that making the minimum ladderlimit 0k isnt the best idea.

Example 1) Racing on roc with 8 players and 16 in the queue (anyone can join) and then racing without getting any points if your highly ranked and all other players have no lp at all.
Example 2) Having a private server with 0-60k and competing with servers who have 0-90k isnt fair anymore, why should players join if they want to have lp. They will only join if they are really not interested in lp.

It would have been nice to first drop this idea in the community and see what the responses are before implementing it.

I know you guys are searching for a better system with the ladderservers, but this is probably not the way most people will enjoy. So please reconsider it all.

Greetz,

[zarexz]

Hylis wasn't wearing has glasses when he was writing that.
I can't imagine this is the way it's supposed to be...

[TheM]

Hylis wasn't wearing has glasses when he was writing that.
I can't imagine this is the way it's supposed to be...

That's why I added the (?) in the topic title ...
Though it's the same for ShootMania and TrackMania, so he wasn't wearing glasses for both times ?

[aspeta]

I don´t agree too that players with no lp can join ROC and top player don´t get much lp as normal.
I think is not fair for people who train hard those maps.

[zarexz]

Though it's the same for ShootMania and TrackMania, so he wasn't wearing glasses for both times ?

CTRL+C/CTRL+V?

[aerodx]

I don´t agree too that players with no lp can join ROC and top player don´t get much lp as normal.
I think is not fair for people who train hard those maps.

I agree with aspeta !

[serujio]

hylis said in the Q&A topic:
"This 0 lower level is an experiment. So, I can not say it will stay and I can not say it is better. If we have done it in another way before, it was to avoid the trouble of highly ranked players to have to ask lower leveled player to leave since they would not win points against them, but lower level ones would win points against them, to make it simple.
Some players are for it, some against. I would rather wait and see. We have done the other way before. We have done with loss of points even before. So, now let's see this way and adapt."
-> http://forum.maniaplanet.com/viewtopic. ... 0&start=40

I think that besides ROC servers, the 0-90k can be a good experiment. But for ROC it is bad for sure, because it is a different situation, ROC is like a tournament that runs for only 3hs, where the top ladder players don´t want to lose their time playing with begginers, they want to compete with the best. That needs to be changed back to normal for sure

[TheM]

hylis said in the Q&A topic:
"This 0 lower level is an experiment. So, I can not say it will stay and I can not say it is better. If we have done it in another way before, it was to avoid the trouble of highly ranked players to have to ask lower leveled player to leave since they would not win points against them, but lower level ones would win points against them, to make it simple.
Some players are for it, some against. I would rather wait and see. We have done the other way before. We have done with loss of points even before. So, now let's see this way and adapt."
-> http://forum.maniaplanet.com/viewtopic. ... 0&start=40

I think that besides ROC servers, the 0-90k can be a good experiment. But for ROC it is bad for sure, because it is a different situation, ROC is like a tournament that runs for only 3hs, where the top ladder players don´t want to lose their time playing with begginers, they want to compete with the best. That needs to be changed back to normal for sure

I hadn't seen that post, because it's burried somewhere in the Q&A topic

[laurens92]

Well, this can be a good test, but like people said it's a disaster for RoC servers..
Also, when this test happens, the player slot should be upgraded as well.
But please don't make the RoC servers part of this 0-100k!

Regards,
Laurens.