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I'm sorry but more and more it seems to me that he is just bragging about it to get more attention to himself. Why don't previous 2009-2013 winners complain about that? That "boycott" won't solve anything. If fB is really desperate about his money and proper relations with ESWC, why doesn't he talk to a lawyer and take this to an official level?Edster wrote:Not to be a downer, but just a word of warning: If you do choose to compete in ESWC playing Trackmania, don't expect to get paid, even if you make the finals...![]()
frostBeule's tale of money he won in 2008 yet still hasn't received: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIJWZ9BvmIw Ethically seems very dodgy to me.
I feel the need to explain my reasons as to why I'm boycotting ESWC so people don't incorrectly think I'm bragging about not getting my money paid (this doesn't even make sense).LT.Forever wrote:I'm sorry but more and more it seems to me that he is just bragging about it to get more attention to himself. Why don't previous 2009-2013 winners complain about that? That "boycott" won't solve anything. If fB is really desperate about his money and proper relations with ESWC, why doesn't he talk to a lawyer and take this to an official level?Edster wrote:Not to be a downer, but just a word of warning: If you do choose to compete in ESWC playing Trackmania, don't expect to get paid, even if you make the finals...![]()
frostBeule's tale of money he won in 2008 yet still hasn't received: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIJWZ9BvmIw Ethically seems very dodgy to me.
eSports is not about boycotts and personal matters, eSports is here to unite people! So go ahead and feel free to participate/root for your favourite driver.
Apology accepted. I definitely have done the mistake of jumping to conclusions too quickly myself in the past, so it's ok.LT.Forever wrote:I am sorry if my post sounded offensive as I did not mean to insult anyone or encourage others to think negatively about you. Nowadays I have seen way too many examples of silly and attention seeking people (and their posts) which appeal to the reader's feelings by being "sad" and "unfortunate". That's why I developed a general pessimistic opinion about everything that is similar.
Trust me, I'd like to have the game grow into a proper eSports with all its benefits as well. But I really struggle to see why ESWC would be the way to achieve this goal. It's definitely fine to be supportive of the game, but I don't think it's a good idea to do it by ignoring and being indifferent to things that are wrong. Stuff like this needs to be called out, and have consequences, otherwise we won't see any improvements. That's how the world develops.LT.Forever wrote:Also, I did not say that you do not have the right to be public about this situation. The only thing that bothers me is the boycott itself. In my eyes this means that if most of the TrackMania fans follow your decision and start boycotting the event, ESWC and the company behind it might as well just cancel TM as a discipline because nobody is interested in it (implying, that most of the people which are interested in ESWC and TM know you and your opinion on this) and since we all like this game, this would indeed be a pity.
Naive or not, but I hope to see TrackMania not only as another casual game where you can spend time with your friends and participate in some fun competitions organized by the same community, but also as a professional discipline where players have the opportunity to "go pro" and even make a living by participating and winning in bigger tournaments (okay, I might have exaggerated here).
I'm sure Nadeo also has a similar wish/goal.
My point here is that boycotting can somewhat harm the TM scene and that's why I once again encourage others to be supportive of this game and their favourite drivers. Of course, I respect your decision as much as I want the problem to be resolved. Being vocal about it is not a bad thing, I just find the measure to be not that good, but it's just a typical situation of seeing things differently. Hopefully you and others understand that.
Indeed, most people are completely ignorant and indifferent to something like this (that is, until it happens to them too). I think that's a shame, but as said hopefully with my boycott I can at least spread the word and maybe prevent it from happening to others. To me, eSports is and always will be something more than just proving that you're the best.Omnixor wrote:ESWC can still be considered the "1v1 Trackmania world cup", so, until there's no another "world cup" for TM, most pros will still participate in it to prove they're the best.
I don't really get your point I'm afraid, care to elaborate what you mean? Anyway, I don't think ESWC is or deserves to be a "world cup". It's just a shady eSports event who don't pay their prize-money. We've seen lots of them before in eSports-history, and sadly they are still around.Omnixor wrote:Your boycott would be useful if TM was a discipline in WCG e.g., or if Nadeo/Ubi organized a TM "world cup" and call it official one; so ESWC wouldn't be the only one.
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