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Shootmania Storm @ ESWC: Elite only?

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Hi there,

I might sound flat while asking the question, but anyway:

Why is only Shootmania Elite played in tournaments like the ESWC?

Since Shootmania is all about different gamemodes and such, it is a shame to see Elite only be played there. As a spectator, Elite can be really cool to watch, but only in 30 % of the cases : When both teams are equally good at attacking. Only 20-40 % of the rounds are successful-attack rounds. The rest is about running head-on to a wall of defenders with total of 12-15 ammo per 2 seconds (the first 2 seconds of shooting).

Enough critic about the Elite gamemode, as I believe most of the people enjoy it more than I do; and I respect that obviously. My appeal is about featuring other competitive gamemodes like Combo for example. Combo is the best example for a second Shootmania gamemode, since it is all about what spectators love: Stress, Fast gameplay, intelligent strategics and - most importantly - many shots plus more percentage of actual hits to opponent players. Not that in general the inflation in ammunition is better, no. It is about the gamemode itself. It is all about beeing at the right spot in the right time, aswell as having the skill to defend your "ammo-status". I've been watching alot of combo some months ago and I find it sad that the community there doesn't get recognized, as this gamemode is at least on about the same competitive level as Elite.

Before someone points out the low amount of teams in combo, I wanna take a look on why this is. What if there is a competitive team mode like BattlePro and it is simply not advertised / played in competitions? Right. It won't be played. For that, the Krazy team (for example) organized Combo cups in favor of their own community. Even though there was - most of the time - not much to win, teams registrated and played. And it was fun to be a part of that (even though my team lost D:) and also to watch. What I believe is, that when competitions are beeing pushed, players will be active on that gamemode (maybe even play cross-gamemode => e.g. combo, elite,...). It would follow the same priniciple as in Trackmania United Forever: Trackmania Stadium competitions were held on big tournaments and alot of smaller cups, while United had its own cups. Some players were able to compete successfully in both games (successful = you could remember the name of that player afterwards). As far as I know, the United Cups I knew about never gave away real money; therefore they were less popular to attend than Trackmania Nations. But still, many did and it was always fun to watch these cups - same goes of course for Stadium.

As big as I shed light on Trackmania too, I hope I could point out what annoys me a bit in Shootmania. Simply the gap between those communities is too big. TMUF vs. TMNF was already not healthy. Shootmania Elite vs. Shootmania Combo is friendlier inbetween, but still, the gap is there and only one gamemode (of the many others) in Shootmania will be known forever to the rest of the world, even though Shootmania was all about "the game with the many community gamemodes". Instead of opening the wings, we get nailed onto the ground. Good to have the hand (of elite) still reaching out to give a sign of beeing alive.

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As much as I ranted here, I obviously wish the Elite players and spectators a great and exciting match and I'll make sure to check by on the ESWC live stream!


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Re: Shootmania Storm @ ESWC: Elite only?

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At first I wanted to include this article in this post here because it has similarities to this subject here but I decided to implement it in a new topic. :)

I would love to see more modes being played in tournaments, especially player created modes. There are fantastic player developed modes, such as the speedball mode which relies on perfect team coordination (and good throwing skills ^.^) or the cardmelee mode where you have to chose the right cards depending on which cards the enemy has, to win the match.
But too many titlepacks/modes being supported in competitions wouldn't be ''healthy'' for esl. If there are more modes, more players would be spread among these competitive modes/titles. Then there wouldn't be a big competition anymore if only a low amount plays this mode. Generally - at least it's my opinion - the more players a mode has, the greater is the competition. How to achieve that a mode has more players and hence, a greater competition? By creating one central competitive game mode. In this case - as it was advertised since the beginning of Shootmania - it's Elite. Even a second official declared competitive game mode wouldn't be healthy for Shootmania since it has a very low playerbase. The current playerbase can't afford any additional esl mode, everything would be even more spread then :/

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Re: Shootmania Storm @ ESWC: Elite only?

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killaprodtm wrote:Why is only Shootmania Elite played in tournaments like the ESWC?
Elite was pushed as the competitive mode from the beginning. Because of this it's got the biggest playerbase.
Most organizers of big tournaments, like eswc, can't find room for more than one game mode per game. So for shootmania, elite is the obvious choice. Not because it's the most competitive mode, but because it has the biggest playerbase. It's also the mode that shows most originality of the Nadeo game modes.

For combo/battlepro/joust/speedball to become modes for offline events something needs to happen to spark the interest and make them bigger. More online tournaments with lots of teams need to happen in order for Nadeo and organizers to become interested in pushing a mode.
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Re: Shootmania Storm @ ESWC: Elite only?

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For combo/battlepro/joust/speedball to become modes for offline events something needs to happen to spark the interest and make them bigger.
I think first you have to find people even playing these modes. I would guess that there are about 14 players at peak time over all these modes (0 combo, 12 bpro, 2 joust, 0 speedball or something). All these modes are beyond dead, you won't even find many servers for them. Suddenly creating tournaments for these modes would obviously make some of the people play the mode again (the tournament people) but not the "casual players" which should be the goal. Because otherwise the modes won't live long after the tournament has ended.

Combo failed because when it came out it took several minutes to even find out how to install it (you had to type getcombo or something into the console if anyone remembers). If you were just playing the game casually you didn't even know it existed. When they tried to push it it was already too late. It's a fun mode though.

Joust failed because it's too simplistic. 1 Weapon, no pickups. I spent most of my time in SM playing Joust (too bad for Elite, hehe) and I had a lot of fun but it's not very exciting to watch. It just lacks any deeper strategy whatsoever and is 100% aim focussed (aside from the usual prediction rockets and basic movement skills).

Bpro just really never got any attention/support. I remember some smaller community tournaments but it never really built a real player base.


Can't comment on Speedball because the only time I only played it once or so.

TL;DR: Elite is the only innovative mode with some strategy involved that isn't completely dead. Tournaments won't turn a dead mode alive again for a longer peiod of time.

I always wished for an active 1on1 Combo community but I guess there are already other games for this.
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Re: Shootmania Storm @ ESWC: Elite only?

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blablub wrote:I think first you have to find people even playing these modes.
And where can you find a handful of players? In Elite mode.
So if you manage to get as many people into Combo mode as there are today in Elite, you'd end up with as many people in Elite, as you have today in Combo...

As Soprah said, the comunity support more than one gamemode right now.
And I bet, even if you started out with two modes being equally important for a game's esport scene, you would sooner or later end up with some inbalance between those modes, concerning viewer and tournament player interest, and it would just go down the hill from there, ending with the other mode falling into eports oblivion again.

And there more modes you start out with, the more unstable your system typically is...
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